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OKType3Tim 
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 Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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Perhaps the "K" stamp is for Karmann?
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pedro sainz
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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This is ALL t34s. 3/8 away from the lip of the Shroud
This is ALL type 3s 1 1/4 away from the lip of the Shroud
You can easily see how much difference bend to the Right Side
Is NOT that much degree up and down
Is MORE left and right BEND
Long story Short
You can tell before installing the engine
On what model are you working ON
Thank You
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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| A couple of years ago I contacted Alex at ISP West and asked him if he had any Type 34 specific oil tubes available for sale. At the time, he wasn't aware of the differences and couldn't help me out. So, I mounted up my then empty engine case to the transmission with a spare oil tube securely mounted to the case with an old gasket. I mounted up the top tube into the body, then sighted down the inside and outsides of the tube to determine how it needed to be bent to fit. About 4 to 5 inches off towards the 5 'o clock position as viewed from the back of the car, if memory serves. I took the engine case out of the car and then inserted a big breaker bar into the mounted tube, then crouched on top of the case and gently pulled the top of the breaker bar towards the 11 'o clock position about 6 inches, then released pressure. I had some additional tweaking I did just to get perfection, but the gentle bending didn't break the tube or the welds. I then tested the tube with oil to make sure I didn't create a crack. I even heated it up really make sure. Then, I repeated the whole process on another powder coated tube, so I have a spare. I also checked to see that the gap between the top tube and bottom tube is appropriate for the rubber boot. Problem solved. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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| pedro sainz wrote: |
| OKType3Tim wrote: |
Here is my example of the wrong pipe on my T34.
I have to carefully "thread' the dipstick into the assembly due to the misalignment.
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Can be bend in place
With your hand from the top little by little
Unless removed from case and bolt it on wood and bend it there
And fit it several time until lines up  |
Or bend it by using a pipe that fits snugly inside.
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pedro sainz
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
| Erik G wrote: |
| pedro sainz wrote: |
| Erik G wrote: |
So Pedro, is the t34 engine floor really different? Is it really lower so the same air cleaners don't fit?
Or is it really sag, bushings, etc that causes the body to get closer to the engine and air cleaners don't fit?
I actually had this problem on a Squareback... But it had been hit |
Hi Eric
I dont understand about the lower floor
Single or Duals Air Cleaner fit on both models
Maybe I did not specific when I mention on FB
I mean the body part were the oil cap get lock
Is lower angle
Engine Compartment and upper lid of the trunk compartment are SAME on Both Models
Show me or us your engine compartment
Might got HIT hard there |
I agree with you and thats what I always understood, it's the rear that's different, not the floor... |
Yup, the very back is what's really different. The cooling air intake is in a different spot than all the other type 3s. Not to mention, it's pretty small along the cooling area/dip stick area. Just not a lot of room.
Thanks for confirming the stick is different Pedro. I knew the boots were different too. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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| Erik G wrote: |
| pedro sainz wrote: |
| Erik G wrote: |
So Pedro, is the t34 engine floor really different? Is it really lower so the same air cleaners don't fit?
Or is it really sag, bushings, etc that causes the body to get closer to the engine and air cleaners don't fit?
I actually had this problem on a Squareback... But it had been hit |
Hi Eric
I dont understand about the lower floor
Single or Duals Air Cleaner fit on both models
Maybe I did not specific when I mention on FB
I mean the body part were the oil cap get lock
Is lower angle
Engine Compartment and upper lid of the trunk compartment are SAME on Both Models
Show me or us your engine compartment
Might got HIT hard there |
I agree with you and thats what I always understood, it's the rear that's different, not the floor... |
Yup, the very back is what's really different. The cooling air intake is in a different spot than all the other type 3s. Not to mention, it's pretty small along the cooling area/dip stick area. Just not a lot of room.
Thanks for confirming the stick is different Pedro. I knew the boots were different too.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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| pedro sainz wrote: |
| Erik G wrote: |
So Pedro, is the t34 engine floor really different? Is it really lower so the same air cleaners don't fit?
Or is it really sag, bushings, etc that causes the body to get closer to the engine and air cleaners don't fit?
I actually had this problem on a Squareback... But it had been hit |
Hi Eric
I dont understand about the lower floor
Single or Duals Air Cleaner fit on both models
Maybe I did not specific when I mention on FB
I mean the body part were the oil cap get lock
Is lower angle
Engine Compartment and upper lid of the trunk compartment are SAME on Both Models
Show me or us your engine compartment
Might got HIT hard there |
I agree with you and thats what I always understood, it's the rear that's different, not the floor...
44 Webers will not fit with the air cleaners, even with the super short manifolds. I don't see any major body damage in the rear, I thought maybe subframe bushings, etc failing
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pedro sainz
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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| Erik G wrote: |
So Pedro, is the t34 engine floor really different? Is it really lower so the same air cleaners don't fit?
Or is it really sag, bushings, etc that causes the body to get closer to the engine and air cleaners don't fit?
I actually had this problem on a Squareback... But it had been hit |
Hi Eric
I dont understand about the lower floor
Single or Duals Air Cleaner fit on both models
Maybe I did not specific when I mention on FB
I mean the body part were the oil cap get lock
Is lower angle
Engine Compartment and upper lid of the trunk compartment are SAME on Both Models
Show me or us your engine compartment
Might got HIT hard there
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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So Pedro, is the t34 engine floor really different? Is it really lower so the same air cleaners don't fit?
Or is it really sag, bushings, etc that causes the body to get closer to the engine and air cleaners don't fit?
I actually had this problem on a Squareback... But it had been hit
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pedro sainz
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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| OKType3Tim wrote: |
Here is my example of the wrong pipe on my T34.
I have to carefully "thread' the dipstick into the assembly due to the misalignment.
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Can be bend in place
With your hand from the top little by little
Unless removed from case and bolt it on wood and bend it there
And fit it several time until lines up
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pedro sainz
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
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I wonder if those small differences make much difference, I guess the rubber boot would allow for a fairly large variance and still allow the dipstick to pass.
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I believe this is why VW had an accordion built into the rubber boot.
I thought the T-34 got it's own stick and tube (smaller diameter). I know the cap is smaller diameter too. |
The accordion was made intentionally to acept any engine vibration or the transmission nose mount fails
And for Easy engine removal by just taking off the rubber boot
Yes the dip stick ,the oil cap and the pipe that goes on the body to lock the oil cap and the oil pipe from the engine case
Are total different for type 3 and type 34
Can’t MIX them at All
Only the rubber boot can combine both models for those Dont care at All
Same diameter but
There’s 2 styles
To be Correct Only Type 34 will Used the boot that has Both ends open
To acept a clamp on each end and also has a separate grommet it self at the body
VS
Notchback and Squareback used the type of boot
One end has an Open for clamp and the other end to acept a body install
Like a groomet ring style included on the rubber boot
I seen many restorations Not having the proper Rubber boot
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OKType3Tim
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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Here is my example of the wrong pipe on my T34.
I have to carefully "thread' the dipstick into the assembly due to the misalignment.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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| ataraxia wrote: |
The T34 and the T3 oil filler pipes have different part numbers. |
Just giving real world experiance, not part numbers. You can see the car in Hot VW's
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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The T34 and the T3 oil filler pipes have different part numbers. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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| Erik G wrote: |
| So is the type 34 trunk floor closer to the engine than other cars? Or is it year and model specific? I have a friend with problems with air cleaners on his type 34, also has a dipstick issue |
From what I saw, the trunk floor was definatly closer, I had to make custom air filters, the tube however was pretty much bolt on.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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So is the type 34 trunk floor closer to the engine than other cars? Or is it year and model specific? I have a friend with problems with air cleaners on his type 34, also has a dipstick issue
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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I recently built an engine in a t-34, it used a regular, early tube. Same diameter. It is in the August hot vw's magazine.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
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I wonder if those small differences make much difference, I guess the rubber boot would allow for a fairly large variance and still allow the dipstick to pass.
-Lucas |
I believe this is why VW had an accordion built into the rubber boot.
I thought the T-34 got it's own stick and tube (smaller diameter). I know the cap is smaller diameter too. |
Yeah I just learned this (I think Pedro's thread had some info on the low/full lines being different). I had no idea about the difference other than the cap. I have a new motor sitting on my bench ready for Spring but I'll have to swap the filler tubes once I drop the one in the car.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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| EasternNotch wrote: |
I wonder if those small differences make much difference, I guess the rubber boot would allow for a fairly large variance and still allow the dipstick to pass.
-Lucas |
I believe this is why VW had an accordion built into the rubber boot.
I thought the T-34 got it's own stick and tube (smaller diameter). I know the cap is smaller diameter too.
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OKType3Tim
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filler Tube Details |
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I believe Type 34 has a different version as well. not sure of the angle but I plan to check mine out when I drop the motor in the near future.
I wonder if those small differences make much difference, I guess the rubber boot would allow for a fairly large variance and still allow the dipstick to pass.
-Lucas |
Yes, two different parts numbers, "a" and "c". In particular, the angle coming back from the engine is different. I don't have an example to measure. But if I understand Pedro's comments; it comes back more in parallel with the engine. Not off to the passenger side as much. And lays down further; possibly at around 55 degrees when measured per my comments above. Will look forward to seeing what yours is when you drop the motor.
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