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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Want to sell an original ‘68 camper Reply with quote

If someone with 15 posts on here spells Westfalia like you just did i think oh well. But you should know better Smile

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Your post is is likely to get locked as an ad.


I don't think so...I think he is really looking for a jumping off point.

it's a neat bus...but not all OE from the looks of it


IMHO He needs to change the subject line then to something like "Can someone estimate a value range? Otherwise we'd have 1000 threads here in a row that said I want to sell this bus but don't know if I priced it right. Take a look. He wrote:
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Want to sell an original ‘68 camper


Hi, thank you. I'm new here and didn't know -- but you make a lot of sense. I just edited my title. Understand if this post is not appropriate in any other way and gets moderated.


Perfect. Lots of folks here know early Westphalia campers so they will give you a good opinion of value. Be sure to consider TheSamba classifieds when you go to sell it, if you sell it.



Also This is a beautiful Bus. My favourite colour too. Having all those maintenance records is very cool
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

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Don’t advertise it as an original paint, no rust bus or you will get ripped. If your skin is thick , then that doesn’t matter.

Price high if you don’t be mind taking 4-6 months to sell and fight the right dreamer from the Bauy area with money>> brains and you will get your 20k


I know online comments can be savage but why not say “no rust”? There really isn’t any. The paint I’m pretty sure is original too. How could I find out?

Thanks your advice. I’m not looking for some grand jackpot just whatever the market is.


On edit....your adhesive leftover from trip strip totally fooled me for weld seam rust!

That being said....

Because “rust-free” is in the eye of the beholder.

Just take lots of pictures underneath, wheel tubs, rockers, front axle, etc. you will have 50-100 when done

Zip those all into a folder and hold tight.

Post up three to six good shots in the ad, no more. People with cash need a couple of good pictures to see its a nice dry Bus to be motivated to come see it. You can send those willing to schedule a trip the zip file of comprehensive pictures.

This gets rid of the dreamers , schemers, and flippers.

Your ad isn’t to find a buyer. It’s to weed out the chaff.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

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My cousin had a 69 riviera much like that one, which he lived in for about 3 years back in the day! It was a conversion done in Vancouver, WA if I remember correctly. It had the square small pop top and a custom interior. It was converted and sold new as a camper, so perhaps that is what this is? Do you have paperwork back to new?

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Hi Chris. Thanks for the comment. Among all the paperwork there is a mention somewhere as I recall that the bus was sold as a camper from the dealership.

I have loads of paperwork but almost all is from 1971-1991. 1991-now it’s been pretty much in storage. I love this bus!! Enjoyed reading your story.

By the way my dad loved VW bus and he was an incredible mechanic. In the mid 1970s he has a friend named Greg who lived in Bellevue in an old house at the entrance to the Pike Peak neighborhood. Greg had several VW and bought/sold them. My dad brought one home from him but it was a total POS even back then. My older brother hated it, which it was for him. So we got rid of it. Six years ago when I bought this one and showed my dad he got all emotional about how much he loved it. Just wanted to share that !!


Yes. These were converted from Kombis prior to first sale.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

any stickers behind the seats? some conversion companys put them there.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

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My cousin had a 69 riviera much like that one, which he lived in for about 3 years back in the day! It was a conversion done in Vancouver, WA if I remember correctly. It had the square small pop top and a custom interior. It was converted and sold new as a camper, so perhaps that is what this is? Do you have paperwork back to new?

Thanks!

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Hi Chris. Thanks for the comment. Among all the paperwork there is a mention somewhere as I recall that the bus was sold as a camper from the dealership.

I have loads of paperwork but almost all is from 1971-1991. 1991-now it’s been pretty much in storage. I love this bus!! Enjoyed reading your story.

By the way my dad loved VW bus and he was an incredible mechanic. In the mid 1970s he has a friend named Greg who lived in Bellevue in an old house at the entrance to the Pike Peak neighborhood. Greg had several VW and bought/sold them. My dad brought one home from him but it was a total POS even back then. My older brother hated it, which it was for him. So we got rid of it. Six years ago when I bought this one and showed my dad he got all emotional about how much he loved it. Just wanted to share that !!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:05 am    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

perhaps a Country Campers Conversion ?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

My cousin had a 69 riviera much like that one, which he lived in for about 3 years back in the day! It was a conversion done in Vancouver, WA if I remember correctly. It had the square small pop top and a custom interior. It was converted and sold new as a camper, so perhaps that is what this is? Do you have paperwork back to new?

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

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Don’t advertise it as an original paint, no rust bus or you will get ripped. If your skin is thick , then that doesn’t matter.

Price high if you don’t be mind taking 4-6 months to sell and fight the right dreamer from the Bauy area with money>> brains and you will get your 20k


I know online comments can be savage but why not say “no rust”? There really isn’t any. The paint I’m pretty sure is original too. How could I find out?

Thanks your advice. I’m not looking for some grand jackpot just whatever the market is.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:09 am    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

Don’t advertise it as an original paint, no rust bus or you will get ripped. If your skin is thick , then that doesn’t matter.

Price high if you don’t be mind taking 4-6 months to sell and fight the right dreamer from the Bauy area with money>> brains and you will get your 20k
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

It's looking more and more like a Riviera to me, actually- either that or something really close.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

Hello and thanks for the continued discussion. I've posted pics below.

I am sure I used the term "original" incorrectly, it was meant to refer to the fact that it is now as it was back in 1968. Structurally that is. The windows, doors, panels, frame, undercarriage, pedal rubber, no rust, seats, etc, all seem like new to me but of course the camper part was done here by all indication.

Engine runs great! New at 95k which was about 40k ago. Maybe a bit more. Transmission is fine as far as I can see.

Here are a few more pictures. Perhaps this might help shed some light on questions posed earlier.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

i have a late 68 built (69 model year) westy that i have owned for 25 years for comparison. your bus is 'modified' for sure but its also in decent shape. that side jalousie looks suspicious, its missing a lot of stuff, it doesnt look like an original campmobile build to me. also the transmission is not a desirable one. id say its worth maybe 10-11k at most.

edit: i now see the rest of the thread, basically what skills said
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Want to sell an original ‘68 camper Reply with quote

skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
it seems to be a very proper, cared for bus...for sure.

could you post some good photos of the pop top, from inside? basically just the hole and surrounding area cut in the roof.

I have a gut feeling someone added this at some point. still, the interior is for sure home made

EDIT again Laughing

is the paint on the sliding door a off white/beige-y color? and evidence of that anywhere else in the cargo area? if so...it was for sure born a kombi


This is a "coach built" camper- a la Riviera. All of these started life as Kombis.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

Hello,
Watch his video.... it was done in the states. Inside the ice box is a clue.
I took a look after my original post.... it's not all VW factory original. And, there is something about the paint and body that doesn't quite look right for all original. His magnet test seems to loose its grip in a few places(19:50) for one. Maybe he was just moving around too fast...
But, not having the bus in front of me, I can't be sure.
It is a nice bus, don't get me wrong. But, it has a few issues to advertise it as all "original". From what you show, the under side does look clean.
Again, good luck when you sell it.

Edit: before post.
So, that's why the rear cargo area is also painted off white.... and not green?, interesting. Goofy kombis....
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

Looks like a very good homebrew conversion to me. Someone put a lot of time into that bus. It is, as you say, in really good condition. I have a 1969 that has been indoors almost all it's life, never in the salt, and yours is just that much(OK, a lotta that much) nicer than mine. A thought on the windows, does it look like it to you guys that know that he grafted/cobbled a split window Jalousie per side, and filled in the excess with just glass? They kinda look cut down, but did I see a Hehr sticker on the flat glass? That would definitely argue against my theory on the windows.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

I'm an optimist here. That bus looks like a $25k bus for the right buyer, forsure. No rust work at all. It's complete and all there. This is assuming the engine is strong and the transmission is good.

Folks are throwing 8-10k at betters that require tons of metal work, engine rebuilds and other horrors. Tracking down missing parts, especially camper parts will drain a wallet too. Folks spend a hell of a lot more than $25k to get a bus back to the condition of this one.

If it was mine, I'd hire a detailer to buff that paint back to factory shine. It would really present much better too. Have the engine compression tested. Check for end play. Note the transmission condition. Shoot some pictures of under it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

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Skills picked up on the slider door interior paint(white) not green.


factory kombi's were painted off white/tan(ish) beige in the cargo area, and depending on options had a "cheater" cab only vinyl headliner or could be ordered with a full headliner and fiber (cargo area) panels...lot's of goofy combos for a kombi....but the cargo area was always a tan(ish) color
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

It looks like a sundial conversion. Like what you’d see in a split window bus.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

Not original, sure. But I think that camper interior is a win for it...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone estimate a value range - 68 camper Reply with quote

Hi — thanks a lot for the continued discussion.

I hate to buff it the wrong way and spoil the paint which is original. Any suggestions ?

I really appreciate any and all info. When Franklin (VW shop owner in Kent WA) saw the window he thought it was strange too. As far as I recall he said it looked like a ‘_______’ conversion, mentioning the name of a conversion company.

There is a table but it’s in the back area because it came off the connectors.

Question — what do you mean by slider ? The door has been replaced ?

I have a thick pile of docs so I’ll post something more to try and shed some light.

What amazes me most is the fact that there is zero rust. Anywhere. And the log book showing the TLC previous owner gave it.

Thanks again.
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