Tilda the Mustard Tigress

[Bobnotch]

[Yarkle]

Events have conspired against me to do any volkswerkin, but I was fiddling around and I discovered this:

My 1973 has U5082962 engine serial, which makes sense, but the distributor on it is a :

311905205L

Which reads from the old volks home as for a 68-69 FI manual transmission

so my 4 questions are:

1. do i time it as a 68-69 would be: Timing Set At: 0deg BTDC Static or @ 800-950rpm w/strobe w/vacuum hose disconnected and plugged VAC CAN 07 022 (the 69 FI)

2 or as the 73 would be: Timing Set At: 5deg BTDC @ 800-950rpm w/strobe w/both vacuum hoses disconnected and plugged. When finished with timing and hoses plugged in, possible readjustment of idle to 850-900rpm may be needed VAC CAN 07052


3. IF I end up goign to dual solex carbs, would I time it as #1, for that distributor, or at: Timing Set At:: 10deg BTDC Static or @ 800-950rpm w/strobe w/vacuum hose disconnected and plugged VA can 07017

So I guess 0,5,or 10 (for dual carbs)?

4. which vacuum can? ,
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Tilda the Mustard Tigress 1973 Squareback (o'''^'''o)

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[Yarkle]

thanks!

All of that is on the to do list. Im not even starting it again until ive replaced all of the fuel hose and clamps

Masterseries is a great product, even if you end up wearing it on your skin for a few weeks.
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Tilda the Mustard Tigress 1973 Squareback (o'''^'''o)

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[Mike Fisher]

The charcoal canisters in the rear and under the front fender are always plugged up from use/age.
They are also dirt/rust traps so we eliminate them.
Find a local Hot Rod Shop to fab the small repair sections you need.
www.masterseriesct.com silver & black is easy to brush on and looks good.
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[Bobnotch]

Well, if you decide to replace the fuel hoses, you'll need 25 feet of 5/16ths fuel hose, and 32 FI style clamps (I buy them by the box myself).
I hope this helps.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[Yarkle]

Another bonus from my parts hunting trip to the wilds of Sanford Maine was the extra engine that I got has the FI setup, so I could see it out of the car and visualize where the gas stink is coming from.

I think the lines are weeping, but once they mist = fire, so Ill just redo them all.

But i work for the post office so its been 12 hour days for the past 4 weeks so my playing with Tilda time has been severely cut down.

Plus the honeydew list.
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Tilda the Mustard Tigress 1973 Squareback (o'''^'''o)

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[Yarkle]

I peekd through the hole from the wire loom thing, and i can see fins, does that mean the flap is open? I can see what looks like the horizontal rod, but its kindof hard to tell

OTOH i did discover some of the source of the gas smell. the injectors on the 1 and 2 side still have braided hose and they are a bit damp.


Replaced all the FI line my a$$!!!
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[Bobnotch]

At this point you could pull the rod down to see IF the flaps move at all. If they do, you could put some weight on that rod until the flaps close, then using a hack saw, cut a slot in the end of the rod (up-down, or sideways) letting you be able to feel the slot, and make a note of where /how the slot feels. Note this will be opposite of what everyone else does, in that they want to put the slot in the up-down when the flaps are open. It's a quick reference, but you need the thermostat in place to set it. I think you can remove one of the black plug wire holders and shining a flash light inside you can see the flap.
Note this won't be easy to do, but most people carve the slot in the end of the rod while the engine is out and partly or fully disassembled (easy to see the flap). I hope this helps.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[Yarkle]

[Bobnotch]

[Yarkle]

even for a parts car, this is the only type 3 i could find in a 1000 mile search on the craigslist.

"motor "was" running"

ok, not too bad

um..yeah, it is pretty bad

um...really bad

it comes with extra doors and fenders that are in worse shape.

I can only imagine what the inner fenders n stuff look like

And he wants 3,000 for it!

Pass. Supply and demand i guess
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Tilda the Mustard Tigress 1973 Squareback (o'''^'''o)

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[Yarkle]

I hear ya man, IF i could get ten days off of work, and my wife wouldnt kill me, id road trip for these in a heartbeat:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2504858

in New England, these would be like gold!

I gotta find a parts car or something. The guy I sold the buses to has hooked me up with some nice stuff to defray some of the costs, ill have to post up a few pix this weekend.

He did get me a pair of redone 73 front seats. they obviously werent done by a pro, but they are much better than I could do.

Hopefully I get the seals for the gas tank filler this week and i can tackle the stinky smell and maybe go for a ride on sunday
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[Bobnotch]

Shipping prices are crazy. Especially for large sheet metal pieces from the west coast. I had a pair of rear fenders for a Notch sent to me from the DDB (they've closed since then, and were in Oregon). I had Martin cut them in half and stick all of the pieces in the same box, just to save on shipping. It didn't really matter to me that they were cut in half, as I was changing the entire tail light assembly out for them to go on my 71 Notch (going early to late). I know it might have sounded crazy, but it's a case of doing whatever you have to sometimes. Kind of like driving 10 hours round trip to get a rear package tray for a T-34 Ghia. It's one of those I need it, so I might as well go get it. It probably would have cost 400 to ship it from the middle of Illinois, but while I was there, I picked up a front and rear window, plus got to BS with a fellow type 3er. Sometimes, that's what makes it worth doing the drive and picking it up in person. It's kind of like going to Canada just to pick up an early t-3 hood for a project. I mean it was only 20 miles away, but going thru customs on both sides of the border took an extra hour both ways. Granted it was a nice hood for 25 bucks US, and well worth picking up.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[Yarkle]

[Bobnotch]

[Yarkle]

Grr..arrgh...im still waiting on one more piece to try and get rid of the stinky gas smell .. that and a day off from work.

I kindof like to have "extras" just in case, as type 3 stuff (well, vw stuff in general) is hard to come by up here.

I cant tell (and ive searched, but I cant visualize the differences right I guess)

would these fit a 73? the angles arent the best in the photos.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2541901

Ideally, id rather go with metal, but these are the only things I can find east of the rockies.
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[Yarkle]

Sorry bout that, I often "recycle" words unintentionally

Overfill: I meant the metal evaporative canister that is under the fender that the gas tank vent feeds to, but that you had said they left room in the trunk for with the possibility of a gas heater? where would the gas heater have gone?

Macaroni: got it, thanks!
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[Bobnotch]

[Yarkle]

KTPhil and BobNotch:

thanks! Yes, thats helps quite a bit. I am waiting on a filler tube and the seal thing and ring from ISP, and then Jim is making me up a 73 stink kit, but hes waiting on a part to finish it up.

I figured a new gas cap and a sender seal might not be amiss either.

Jim had also suggested once I get that done, see if the smell persists, and if it is, then to redo the FI injector lines.

while im doing that I might as well do the injector seals and the runner seals too.

and since itll be accessible, the oil cooler seals.

(trying not to fall down the rabgbithole but I also dont want my car to catch on fire!)

I have a nice overfill canister and a redone charcoal canister left over from when I had a thing so I still might try it later on.

Where would they have put the overflow canister in the trunk if they had done such a thing?

On the drivers side , like a thing, or on the passenger side, like a Ghia? or someplace else?

If it would be cold enough up here for a gas heater, its cold enough to have the brine on the roads, and im not going to have this out on the roads then.

One thing im a bit puzzled on is I cant seem to find the "elbow macaroni" tin looking things, instead I have that tinfoil like stuff going to/from the shroud and the heater boxes.

which I think is why one of those vacuum hoses is just dangling.
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[KTPhil]

Those thin metal fuel vapor lines are probably rusted internally and do not pass any fumes. So the charcoal canister and expansion tank aren't actually doing anything. You could remove them and vent the tank to the atmosphere without too much of a guilty conscience.

Another leak source is the filler neck, and the thick filler rubber pip. The filler neck is vital in that with cracks the water and dirt that get thrown up find their way into the tank. Then they migrate to the low spot, which is your expensive fuel pump, which then rusts/wears out. Best to apply preventive measures!