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Abscate 
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 Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:15 am Post subject: Re: GoWesty NORRA 500 hybrid EV Vanagon |
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These projects are about web hits and marketing, not about EVs
Bringing an EV to market is a completely different ball of wax than bolting some stuff into a T3 and making a hybrid. I respect them doing this as a good marketing tool
Retrofitting EVs into old cars wont be a business except for deep pocket niche markets.
I hate EVs
EVS are not coming, they are here.
EVs make sense for the average commuter in the US
95% of the objections are poorly reasoned, poorly premised, or just plain Chiroptera Guano Delirus
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vanagonjr
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:56 am Post subject: Re: GoWesty NORRA 500 hybrid EV Vanagon |
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Edited out anti-EV crap, please focus on the GoWesty EV
We already know how you feel about EV's, stop telling us your opinion over and over and over and over and........
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Really? Abscate made a sarcastic comment, which I guess some people took literally. What Dan said about his Solar making electric during the day and then he sucks the power back in the night is basically right (or it is when you have an in-house battery). My joke about he needs panels that make power at night should have been obvious that is WAS a joke, by the emoji at the end.
For crying out loud, I own and drive an EV!!
(I bet some of the commenters do not.)
I drove 60 electric miles yesterday and will again today, as I do virtually every weekday.
Yeah, I'm anti-EV 
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remraf
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:22 am Post subject: Re: GoWesty NORRA 500 hybrid EV Vanagon |
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| I'm curious to see some more pictures of this. With that size battery pack I would assume they are only using it when needed and not full time unless they have a generator on the engine. |
From the site it looks like the single battery enclosure is either 25 or 35 kWh.
I think Jim at Bostig is doing something similar. He posted a video a while back driving a syncro with a front electric motor. I'd expect whatever he comes up w/ to be lower in price. |
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Pchill2
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:34 am Post subject: Re: GoWesty NORRA 500 hybrid EV Vanagon |
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I'm curious to see some more pictures of this. With that size battery pack I would assume they are only using it when needed and not full time unless they have a generator on the engine.
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Nitramrebrab72
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 2:11 am Post subject: Re: GoWesty NORRA 500 hybrid EV Vanagon |
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I am looking at fitting 2 high torque but low powered e motors directly on syncro hubs for low speed 4wd 25mph max. All electric means high costs ,loads of battery weight then transforming the old v dub engine into a generator to be able to recharge the batteries when I get home at night lol  . |
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Abscate
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:13 am Post subject: Re: Gowesty NORRA 500 hybrid ev Vanagon |
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| Yeah, 2k is a joke. It's interesting they chose electricgt as a partner. They have nice products but are definitely on the pricier end. Would be nice if this idea was extended to using salvage model 3 motors/batteries etc. |
Usually, for rebates, it has to be new parts from certain manufacturers, which sucks.
I struggle with how a model 3 battery pack would fit under a van, I guess its a complete roller pan swap |
I didn't mean the whole model 3 pack. People are repackaging the modules into smaller packs etc.
It looks like gowesty is using this system from electricgt. Starts around 37k!!
https://electricgt.com/shop/gte-173-e-crate-system/
Electricgt looks like they actually repackage Tesla modules for their battery packs. |
Starting at $37,000?! Not including installation. |
Electricgt claims their packaging, engineering etc. result in an easy clean install. Still seems like a lot of cheddar for that system. Wonder what GW's ultimate goal is, can't imagine anything close to that price plus subframe and suspension components to add drive axles etc. would be remotely affordable. |
They tell you. They are exploring the market for an EV upgrade path for older cars. Itโs not innovation to bolt in stuff and make an electric car, which has been done a century ago, itโs market research.
At 10k for power plant replacements itโs a total win. 20k, 30k? Iโm not so sure.
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vanagonjr
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Gowesty NORRA 500 hybrid ev Vanagon |
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Electricgt claims their packaging, engineering etc. result in an easy clean install. Still seems like a lot of cheddar for that system. Wonder what GW's ultimate goal is, can't imagine anything close to that price plus subframe and suspension components to add drive axles etc. would be remotely affordable. |
They might be working together on this, perhaps. Or it could be just an easier way to prove the concept, vs spending a lot of their techโs time to fabricate something similar - from EV west projects, it looks like 20K-25K in parts cones up pretty fast.
Just guessing here. It will be interesting to watch.
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remraf
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Gowesty NORRA 500 hybrid ev Vanagon |
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| Yeah, 2k is a joke. It's interesting they chose electricgt as a partner. They have nice products but are definitely on the pricier end. Would be nice if this idea was extended to using salvage model 3 motors/batteries etc. |
Usually, for rebates, it has to be new parts from certain manufacturers, which sucks.
I struggle with how a model 3 battery pack would fit under a van, I guess its a complete roller pan swap |
I didn't mean the whole model 3 pack. People are repackaging the modules into smaller packs etc.
It looks like gowesty is using this system from electricgt. Starts around 37k!!
https://electricgt.com/shop/gte-173-e-crate-system/
Electricgt looks like they actually repackage Tesla modules for their battery packs. |
Starting at $37,000?! Not including installation. |
Electricgt claims their packaging, engineering etc. result in an easy clean install. Still seems like a lot of cheddar for that system. Wonder what GW's ultimate goal is, can't imagine anything close to that price plus subframe and suspension components to add drive axles etc. would be remotely affordable. |
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Mateo83
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Gowesty NORRA 500 hybrid ev Vanagon |
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| Yeah, 2k is a joke. It's interesting they chose electricgt as a partner. They have nice products but are definitely on the pricier end. Would be nice if this idea was extended to using salvage model 3 motors/batteries etc. |
Usually, for rebates, it has to be new parts from certain manufacturers, which sucks.
I struggle with how a model 3 battery pack would fit under a van, I guess its a complete roller pan swap |
I didn't mean the whole model 3 pack. People are repackaging the modules into smaller packs etc.
It looks like gowesty is using this system from electricgt. Starts around 37k!!
https://electricgt.com/shop/gte-173-e-crate-system/
Electricgt looks like they actually repackage Tesla modules for their battery packs. |
Starting at $37,000?! Not including installation.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:03 am Post subject: Re: Gowesty NORRA 500 hybrid ev Vanagon |
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I believe that it is integrated into their in house Injection system. I would bet that it could be adapted with an AT as well.
I tell ya, I had a big grin on my face after driving it. There were no knobs to pull, just point it and press the pedal. I would imagine that after a while you will not need the passenger to be sitting there with a lap top going.
I had driven that same van on the road pre C19 with their big motor and injection system and it was a gas. Leave it to the guys at GW to re invent the Syncro.
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remraf
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Gowesty NORRA 500 hybrid ev Vanagon |
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| Yeah, 2k is a joke. It's interesting they chose electricgt as a partner. They have nice products but are definitely on the pricier end. Would be nice if this idea was extended to using salvage model 3 motors/batteries etc. |
Usually, for rebates, it has to be new parts from certain manufacturers, which sucks.
I struggle with how a model 3 battery pack would fit under a van, I guess its a complete roller pan swap |
I didn't mean the whole model 3 pack. People are repackaging the modules into smaller packs etc.
It looks like gowesty is using this system from electricgt. Starts around 37k!!
https://electricgt.com/shop/gte-173-e-crate-system/
Electricgt looks like they actually repackage Tesla modules for their battery packs. |
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Mateo83
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Gowesty NORRA 500 hybrid ev Vanagon |
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| Yeah, 2k is a joke. It's interesting they chose electricgt as a partner. They have nice products but are definitely on the pricier end. Would be nice if this idea was extended to using salvage model 3 motors/batteries etc. |
Usually, for rebates, it has to be new parts from certain manufacturers, which sucks.
I struggle with how a model 3 battery pack would fit under a van, I guess its a complete roller pan swap
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Gowesty NORRA 500 hybrid ev Vanagon |
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Mateo83
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Gowesty NORRA 500 hybrid |
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I drove this bus Van/Hybrid and It was very BETA with the lead guy in the passenger seat with a lap top.
Super torquey and power that is just NOW, the integration was amazing. From what I was told the idea is custom front subframe that will bolt into a 2WD and give it a bolt in 4WD conversion.
While driving it the ride along guy was telling me at some rocky and steep points to just go into it full power, I backed off the throttle. I think this will be a winner when it comes out. I don't know the price point but up against building a Syncro F/R box and everything else it'll be wash.
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Curious, how were the engine and electric motor integrated if at all? Was the electric drive just a manual toggle? Did they mention whether they plan to have them work in an integrated way?
I agree with hdenter, seems like the goal would be to lessen power output requirements for the ICE. Given that van is for NORRA it probably makes sense to leave the large one in though.
Seems like gowesty's engine efforts are usually focused on California. Wonder if California's plans to offer rebates for ev conversions of older cars factors in? Doubt a hybrid would count and 2k ain't that big a handout  .
https://www.theautopian.com/california-may-soon-pa...lows-suit/ |
I'd read the fine print on that bill if it passes. Plus $2k would barely cover a rear drive motor
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Gowesty NORRA 500 hybrid |
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I drove this bus Van/Hybrid and It was very BETA with the lead guy in the passenger seat with a lap top.
Super torquey and power that is just NOW, the integration was amazing. From what I was told the idea is custom front subframe that will bolt into a 2WD and give it a bolt in 4WD conversion.
While driving it the ride along guy was telling me at some rocky and steep points to just go into it full power, I backed off the throttle. I think this will be a winner when it comes out. I don't know the price point but up against building a Syncro F/R box and everything else it'll be wash.
Stacy |
Curious, how were the engine and electric motor integrated if at all? Was the electric drive just a manual toggle? Did they mention whether they plan to have them work in an integrated way?
I agree with hdenter, seems like the goal would be to lessen power output requirements for the ICE. Given that van is for NORRA it probably makes sense to leave the large one in though.
Seems like gowesty's engine efforts are usually focused on California. Wonder if California's plans to offer rebates for ev conversions of older cars factors in? Doubt a hybrid would count and 2k ain't that big a handout .
https://www.theautopian.com/california-may-soon-pa...lows-suit/ |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Gowesty NORRA 500 hybrid |
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I would go in a different direction for the engine. I would build a 1600cc engine with a decently high compression ratio. Then rig the front electric motor to some sort of a load sensor on the gas engine. When you are cruising at flat speed with high vacuum, gas only. When you need more power and MAP goes down, kick in the electric motor. Or vise versa, run electric full time and kick in gas motor when necessary to help the electric. If going full time electric, I'd go even smaller on the gas motor, 1200cc.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Gowesty NORRA 500 hybrid |
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I'll be an early adopter.
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