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Itโs funny, and I think this is universal, that just because we have a skill or two maybe three for some of you accomplished people, we feel that weโre smarter than everyone else in the world.
Whoโs more important your garbage man or a brain surgeon? I guess itโs what you need at the moment.
We all have our strengths and are quick to look sideways at those who have other qualities. What special qualities does a garbage man have that I donโt? I barf very easily when I smell stuff that stinks. I would be a 50 pound shell after a week of not being able eat. |
Interesting... I've never considered myself as accomplished, more of learning from seeing or doing and developing the knack to do something, usually poorly the first few times but the more you do it, the better you get at it. Process is important so remembering to put bolts back in the threads they came out of and making a mental note of steps in the process simplify things and help you develop a 6th sense of what process happens before the next one. "Stupid people" tend to be people who haven't had the opportunity to be hands on and learn the processes but portray that they do and come across as know-it-alls.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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| Itโs funny, and I think this is universal, that just because we have a skill or two maybe three for some of you accomplished people, we feel that weโre smarter than everyone else in the world. |
Like the kids from Lake Wobegon.
"...where all the children are above average." |
More importantly, the women are strongโฆ..
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:14 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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| pondoras box wrote: |
| Itโs funny, and I think this is universal, that just because we have a skill or two maybe three for some of you accomplished people, we feel that weโre smarter than everyone else in the world. |
Like the kids from Lake Wobegon.
"...where all the children are above average."
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 7:32 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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Itโs funny, and I think this is universal, that just because we have a skill or two maybe three for some of you accomplished people, we feel that weโre smarter than everyone else in the world.
I can do many of the things listed that you guys mentioned here, I think most of us can based on our hobbies and similarities. We are here on this site right? But there is A LOT more things that I can not do. I donโt feel Iโm stupid because I cant rebuild an automatic transmission but conversely I donโt think that the astrophysics professor or the microbiologist, yes both friends of mine, are they stupid because they canโt put an obsolete air cooled engine together.
I feel that we all feel superior to the next guy. Itโs human nature and itโs how we justify our existence and position in this world. Whoโs more important your garbage man or a brain surgeon? I guess itโs what you need at the moment.
We all have our strengths and are quick to look sideways at those who have other qualities. What special qualities does a garbage man have that I donโt? I barf very easily when I smell stuff that stinks. I would be a 50 pound shell after a week of not being able eat.
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| Everything is being made out of computer chips and boards these days. The next generation is using microscopes and tweezers to do repairs now. |
I'm not seeing much repair happening. Looks more like the malfunctioning part gets chucked and a new one installed, that is, if a new one ever becomes available in the supply system. |
That's typical to just replace it. On the really expensive units that are not under warranty there are people who do repairs. You see it a lot with the Apple products such as laptops. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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 Thought Iโd chime in, and while I can take something apart, I can usually retrace my steps to put whatever said item is back together.
The biggest pain I find, is dropping screws.. especially tiny ones, or nuts. Thereโs a rule, I feel like itโs universal.. anything you drop will automatically roll to the least accessible spot in your work space and 99 percent of the time said escapee is completely essential to the job at hand.
Leaving you to get on your hands and knees, get a flashlight and attempt to look for it.. rather like Indiana Jones looking for the lost grail.
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| Everything is being made out of computer chips and boards these days. The next generation is using microscopes and tweezers to do repairs now. |
I'm not seeing much repair happening. Looks more like the malfunctioning part gets chucked and a new one installed, that is, if a new one ever becomes available in the supply system. |
That's typical to just replace it. On the really expensive units that are not under warranty there are people who do repairs. You see it a lot with the Apple products such as laptops.
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My son's electric over switched to broil by itself and could not be turned off, we had to pop the breaker to turn it off.
We diagnosed the problem to a failed relay on the mother board. The relay had a part number but after searching we couldn't find it. But we were able to replace the entire motherboard with controls for $75.
Two days later it was fixed.
A month before the electric dryer broke and he found the heating coil broke. There was a part number on it and it was fixed a few days later.
Some people have a natural ability and others don't. My son just needs a little advice and a youtube search and he can fix most things. My son-in-law, on the other hand can't fix anything so i told him to find a good handyman and have him on speed dial.
New York has a college saving plan that is tax exempt. You can use it for trade school along with college. The world needs electricians and plumbers. Don't underestimate the value of a trade.
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| Everything is being made out of computer chips and boards these days. The next generation is using microscopes and tweezers to do repairs now. |
I'm not seeing much repair happening. Looks more like the malfunctioning part gets chucked and a new one installed, that is, if a new one ever becomes available in the supply system.
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Everything is being made out of computer chips and boards these days. The next generation is using microscopes and tweezers to do repairs now.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:46 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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| I've never hesitated to take something apart and never had an issue putting it back together again. |
For me, I like to have a "Plan B" in mind. Then I go in, take apart, and see if I can fix.
One perfect example is 3 decades ago on our 1984 Jeep Cherokee. On a Friday afternoon we drove a couple of co-workers to a work-related outing at the lake 30 miles away. As we arrived, we noticed that the AC wasn't cooling. After the event in the parking lot, I noticed its voltmeter reading low (not sure this had a charging/warning light or if such was operational), so low voltage was cause of AC compressor clutch not engaging. So we drove home on the battery, and needed headlights, barely made it home. The next morning, called Autozone and found brand new alternator was $55; took off the easy-to-remove alternator on top of the engine, took it apart and noticed a broken spring and missing brush. A $2.55 repair kit from Autozone and it was fixed. |
Some of my best charging stories involve my '79 Rabbit. USA made in Westmoreland, Pennsylvania, baby!
Except...
I was always trashing CVs, axles, struts, and wheel bearings. Never had such problems with my Bugs. Of course there were the perennial charging problems and the Rabbit's insatiable appetite for fuel pump relays. Must be they're made of rabbit food, eh?
Arriving in Vermont at daybreak on a trip from NYC it started its bucking and farting BS symptomatic of a fuel pressure problem. A quick roadside diagnostic indicated the fuel pressure problem was caused by a charging problem. Charging problem was caused by the car spitting out the long Allen bolt that held the alternator to the engine. Bolt was AWOL, gone without a trace. That particular fastener seems to be unique to Westmoreland Rabbits. I hit half a dozen junkyard and a couple dealers looking for another one, no luck. Gettin' ahead of myself, The lucky part is the alternator belt was hangin' off the alternator. I selected a couple roadside rocks and pounded them between the engine and the alternator. Made it all the way back to NYC with rocks holding tension on the alternator belt.
Another day, another charging problem. Another night, actually. I found I wasn't charging well enough to run the fuel injection and the headlights. The car stalled when I turned on the headlights. I drove all night without headlights.
See? Humanoids are immune to Darwinism. 
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| I've never hesitated to take something apart and never had an issue putting it back together again. |
For me, I like to have a "Plan B" in mind. Then I go in, take apart, and see if I can fix.
One perfect example is 3 decades ago on our 1984 Jeep Cherokee. On a Friday afternoon we drove a couple of co-workers to a work-related outing at the lake 30 miles away. As we arrived, we noticed that the AC wasn't cooling. After the event in the parking lot, I noticed its voltmeter reading low (not sure this had a charging/warning light or if such was operational), so low voltage was cause of AC compressor clutch not engaging. So we drove home on the battery, and needed headlights, barely made it home. The next morning, called Autozone and found brand new alternator was $55; took off the easy-to-remove alternator on top of the engine, took it apart and noticed a broken spring and missing brush. A $2.55 repair kit from Autozone and it was fixed.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:04 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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Corollary:
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No, Xevin, thatโs not what that means โฆ.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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I was the youngest of 6 kids growing up in the 70s and 80s. My father was a maintenance machinist, 2 brothers were machinists, 1 was an electrician, and 1 was a welder. My sister was an office worker so she didn't influence me much.
My dad always repaired everything himself and my brothers built backyard hotrods so being the wrench/whipping boy, I learned to do everything mechanical and electrical. I started fixing bicycles when I was 5 and then mini bikes, dirtbikes, and then cars.
In parallel, we were always fixing pumps, piping, walls, tearing down and building rooms, repairing roofs, rewiring rooms, and finishing interiors including painting.
In high school I chose to be Refrigeration Tech so I learned that and electrical up to 600v. Later I had an interest in electronics and studied embedded systems and can test circuits down to the PCB levels. I then found programming logical and picked up everything computer related and built my own PCs.
I enjoy taking things apart fixing them and putting them back together as well as building things. For me, I've never hesitated to take something apart and never had an issue putting it back together again.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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Corollary:
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Corollary:
"It is easier to get into something than to get out of it."
- Donald Rumsfeld
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Around 40 years ago... back when most people couldn't tell the difference between New Wave and Punk much less the difference between ska and reggae... there was a band called Devo. Although they themselves were smart young fellers and they continue to be so, they promoted the concept of de- evolution, reverse Darwinism as it were. Being as humans seem to be the one species immune to actual Darwinism, Devo may have been on to something.
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| GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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| Damn that Xevin... |
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| My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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Around 40 years ago... back when most people couldn't tell the difference between New Wave and Punk much less the difference between ska and reggae... there was a band called Devo. Although they themselves were smart young fellers and they continue to be so, they promoted the concept of de- evolution, reverse Darwinism as it were. Being as humans seem to be the one species immune to actual Darwinism, Devo may have been on to something.
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