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Xevin
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A couple of my best friends are not down with vaccines but enjoy a pack of Marlboro reds every day. I don’t shame them. And they don’t shame my life style choices.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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I know at least a dozen guys in their 40's and 50's, healthy and strong, no vax, never stopped working, never stopped going outside. Most never had a symptom even if they did contract the coof.
I realize that doesn't make the loss of a friend or father any easier, but I have to say that their deaths are way, way under the norm statistically.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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I knew two guys who did not get the vaccine. One was in my Lamaze class. I had a beautiful son and he had a beautiful daughter.
The other guy worked for me. We were not as close but he had 4 young children.
Both of them were in their 50s and in great health. One had an open gasket wake. I could barely recognize him. Covid had destroyed his body in a week.
Watching their children eulogize their fathers was one of the hardest things I ever have witnessed.
People make their own choices based on their own beliefs. Thats America. Make the choice thats best for you and for those you love. |
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HarrysRatBug
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| I kind of took the statistics with a grain of salt after my local TV station showed the Johns Hopkins daily chart every newscast. I saved pics on my phone for years where they showed things like United States death rates were higher than the world when the world rate was supposed to include the US. It happened a couple times a week! |
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zerotofifty
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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This is a slippery slope and I'll stay away from the "Kings and authoritarians" comments as there are currently examples of "tow the line or else" in the news every day.
I don't believe anyone was deliberately trying to take away anyone's liberty during the Covid19 days but it was an emergency strategy adopted to simply keep people home so that there was less of a chance of catching the sickness and ending up clogging the ICUs.
As I heard from local health care workers (emergency staff, nurses, doctors, hospital management, health authority heads), my understanding was that the issue is/was that unvaccinated people ended up in the ICU (Intensive Care Units) 6 to 10 times more often than vaccinated people which in many cases crippled ICU capacity to care for other illnesses and emergency care.
Anyway, life moves on and I'll be out driving my Bus this afternoon and camping this weekend. |
Driving that old Bus lacking modern safety features, if you get in a wreck, your injury may end up swamping the ICU ward. This can cripple care that more worthy people need who drive safe modern cars.
Then we have motorcycle riders, contact sports, skiing, tree houses. My goodness all these risk takers will swamp our medical services, we need to restrict them, take away their privileges in society!!! But the old cars, those owners of old cars are the worse of the worse!!!!! 
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Cusser
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Mediocre (at best) Playmate Jenny McCarthy became a leading voice in the anti-vaccination movement after claiming the MMR vaccine caused her son's autism—a claim for which there is no scientific evidence. Her celebrity status amplified this message, and the rise in vaccine hesitancy that followed was dubbed the "Jenny McCarthy effect".
Outbreaks linked to low vaccination rates have led to hospitalizations and, in some cases, death. Health experts and publications like Business Insider and The New Yorker have stated that by using her public platform to promote "faux science," McCarthy has indirectly contributed to serious health problems and deaths.
The site https://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/ attributes at least 9000 deaths (up to 2015) due to the McCarthy affect/failure to vaccinate.
My own sister is strongly anti-vaccine; I should also note that she has NEVER had a science class, even in high school, and would never be confused with a rocket scientist.
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cdennisg
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Not getting vaccinated directly threatens the rest of society. That’s why you lose privileges for your choice. |
If you are making this statement in regards to the Covid 19 vaccine, it is 100% wrong. It never stopped the spread of the virus, and was never tested for that issue previous to release for public use.
Thousands of people lost their careers and businesses because they refused to be forced into an experimental vaccine. |
Millions lost their lives from it- 7 Million worldwide. 13.6 Billion doses administered.
'Among 6,688,231 individuals who received COVID-19 vaccination, 55 deaths were reported as of January 8, 2021. The mortality rate of COVID-19 vaccination was 8.2 per million population (Table 1). A total of 37 deaths were reported in long-term care facilities when 693,246 residents are vaccinated."
The vaccine was politicized. Its that simple. Not taking it was a stand against something... Losing liberty or not trusting medicine. Funny how those voices are so quiet nowadays... |
I never said anything regarding the lethality of Covid 19. And your stats are dated from 2021. There is much more comprehensive info available now.
EDIT: I was just perusing the CDC website. Because I am a Luddite, I can't figure out how to copy the graph from there, but it's called "provisional weekly deaths per 100,00 population". It's pretty interesting.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Losing society privileges from vaccine refusal is what kings and authoritarians want. |
Bingo. |
Do either of you have kids?
kids out here have to be vaccinated for:
Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTaP)
Polio (OPV or IPV)
Hepatitis B
Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR)
Varicella (Chickenpox) |
Yes, I have an adult daughter who is vaccinated for all of those things. They are not the same as the coof vax. And newborns do not need the Hep B vax unless they are at specific risk. Lumping the mRNA type of vax in with those others, when discussing vax mandates and schedules, is an issue that seems to go unnoticed.
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crofty
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 11:20 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Losing society privileges from vaccine refusal is what kings and authoritarians want. |
Bingo. |
Do either of you have kids?
kids out here have to be vaccinated for:
Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTaP)
Polio (OPV or IPV)
Hepatitis B
Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR)
Varicella (Chickenpox)
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crofty
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 11:14 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Abscate wrote: |
Not getting vaccinated directly threatens the rest of society. That’s why you lose privileges for your choice. |
If you are making this statement in regards to the Covid 19 vaccine, it is 100% wrong. It never stopped the spread of the virus, and was never tested for that issue previous to release for public use.
Thousands of people lost their careers and businesses because they refused to be forced into an experimental vaccine. |
Millions lost their lives from it- 7 Million worldwide. 13.6 Billion doses administered.
'Among 6,688,231 individuals who received COVID-19 vaccination, 55 deaths were reported as of January 8, 2021. The mortality rate of COVID-19 vaccination was 8.2 per million population (Table 1). A total of 37 deaths were reported in long-term care facilities when 693,246 residents are vaccinated."
The vaccine was politicized. Its that simple. Not taking it was a stand against something... Losing liberty or not trusting medicine. Funny how those voices are so quiet nowadays...
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Shonandb
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This is a slippery slope and I'll stay away from the "Kings and authoritarians" comments as there are currently examples of "tow the line or else" in the news every day.
I don't believe anyone was deliberately trying to take away anyone's liberty during the Covid19 days but it was an emergency strategy adopted to simply keep people home so that there was less of a chance of catching the sickness and ending up clogging the ICUs.
As I heard from local health care workers (emergency staff, nurses, doctors, hospital management, health authority heads), my understanding was that the issue is/was that unvaccinated people ended up in the ICU (Intensive Care Units) 6 to 10 times more often than vaccinated people which in many cases crippled ICU capacity to care for other illnesses and emergency care.
Anyway, life moves on and I'll be out driving my Bus this afternoon and camping this weekend.
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zerotofifty
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 9:27 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Getting a vaccine is like wearing a seatbelt. The benefits far outweigh the risks. |
Not really the same risk level. Plus the seat belt has been well proven over decades of use Where as the shot was rushed into use, with little testing on the long term effects, or side effects.
Plus one can wear a seat belt, then decide to stop using a seatbelt at anytime, where as once that shot has been given, it is in your body, you cant turn that back. One can not "unbuckle" that shot once given.
I got very ill from the shot, so I am done with it, wont take it again. It is offered to me and I say no, never get any pushback from my doctors on that choice either. Never got the virus, I am low risk for harm from the virus, not over weight, exercise, eat right. All through the lock down I kept kayaking, many times I was the only soul on the Bay in sight as others locked themselves down.
What is very insulting is those that say folks that made that choice are Darwin Award winners, or should be banned from things in society. I can assure you that if I did get sick, I would have isolated. I dont need to be banned from doing things do to my informed choice. |
There’s another difference in that analogy.
Not wearing a seat belt only impacts your safety ( and safety of others in your car)
Not getting vaccinated directly threatens the rest of society. That’s why you lose privileges for your choice. |
Me not getting the shot is not a threat to society. To take away my liberty for refusing the shot is just plain wrong. It would be different if I was actually sick and in danger of spreading some horrible illness, but that aint the case if my only sin is not getting the shot. As long as I am healthy, you aint taking my liberty, my liberty is my RIGHT not a privilege. You are free to get the shot, you are free to wear a mask, lock your self down, not go to work, etc.... Me not having a shot wont effect you.
Good grief, you sure are quick to deny liberty to others, perhaps you should move to red china so you may enjoy that kind of society you desire. It aint happening here, not without a fight. 
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cdennisg
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| Losing society privileges from vaccine refusal is what kings and authoritarians want. |
Bingo.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 8:54 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Losing society privileges from vaccine refusal is what kings and authoritarians want. |
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 8:45 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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Not getting vaccinated directly threatens the rest of society. That’s why you lose privileges for your choice. |
If you are making this statement in regards to the Covid 19 vaccine, it is 100% wrong. It never stopped the spread of the virus, and was never tested for that issue previous to release for public use.
Thousands of people lost their careers and businesses because they refused to be forced into an experimental vaccine.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 8:35 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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Coincidentally, around the same time as the claim that Tylenol use is linked to Autism.....
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Not just Tylenol use. A very specific set of parameters surrounding Tylenol use. Even the company that makes Tylenol released a statement long ago saying DO NOT use our product if you are pregnant. They also spun off the segment that manufactures Tylenol to insulate them form future lawsuits. That's not suspicious at all. |
"But Kennedy, a long-time anti-vaccine advocate, and Trump focused their attention on two other factors that they said could be linked to autism: acetaminophen and vaccines. Decades of research have not uncovered a reproducible link between vaccines and autism.
“The evidence does not support a causal link between acetaminophen or vaccines and autism,” says Sura Alwan, a clinical teratologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, and executive director of the PEAR-Net Society, a non-profit organization in Vancouver advocating for maternal–fetal health and research. “Suggesting otherwise may fuel misinformation and undermine confidence in safe treatments and immunizations.” |
So why would the company that developed and produced Tylenol clearly proclaim NOT to use it during pregnancy? They obviously know something, and they obviously are trying to insulate themselves from responsibility for what may come because of it.
I'm not proclaiming any clear link, either. But I do find the wording about Kennedy's "anti-vaccine" claims to always be a bit suspicious. From what I can gather, it's not necessarily anti-vax as much as it is questioning giving dozens of vaccines in a very short period of time into an infant or toddler.
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| Abscate wrote: |
| Not getting vaccinated directly threatens the rest of society. |
I saw a TV commercial yesterday showing a mom and her kid getting vaccinated for flu at Walgreens. The commercial ends showing that the mom is pregnant, also implying that the vaccine is safe for expectant mothers.
All must remember the tremendous profits the pharmaceutical companies make on vaccines and medicines. 65% of Americans take prescription drugs, with 26% taking 4 or more. TV commercials CONSTANTLY bombard pharmaceuticals as being the solution to their problems....and interactions of different over the counter and prescribed pharmaceuticals are not fully understood.....
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Coincidentally, around the same time as the claim that Tylenol use is linked to Autism.....
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Not just Tylenol use. A very specific set of parameters surrounding Tylenol use. Even the company that makes Tylenol released a statement long ago saying DO NOT use our product if you are pregnant. They also spun off the segment that manufactures Tylenol to insulate them form future lawsuits. That's not suspicious at all. |
"But Kennedy, a long-time anti-vaccine advocate, and Trump focused their attention on two other factors that they said could be linked to autism: acetaminophen and vaccines. Decades of research have not uncovered a reproducible link between vaccines and autism.
“The evidence does not support a causal link between acetaminophen or vaccines and autism,” says Sura Alwan, a clinical teratologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, and executive director of the PEAR-Net Society, a non-profit organization in Vancouver advocating for maternal–fetal health and research. “Suggesting otherwise may fuel misinformation and undermine confidence in safe treatments and immunizations.”
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:07 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| mrinnovation1 wrote: |
| Getting a vaccine is like wearing a seatbelt. The benefits far outweigh the risks. |
Not really the same risk level. Plus the seat belt has been well proven over decades of use Where as the shot was rushed into use, with little testing on the long term effects, or side effects.
Plus one can wear a seat belt, then decide to stop using a seatbelt at anytime, where as once that shot has been given, it is in your body, you cant turn that back. One can not "unbuckle" that shot once given.
I got very ill from the shot, so I am done with it, wont take it again. It is offered to me and I say no, never get any pushback from my doctors on that choice either. Never got the virus, I am low risk for harm from the virus, not over weight, exercise, eat right. All through the lock down I kept kayaking, many times I was the only soul on the Bay in sight as others locked themselves down.
What is very insulting is those that say folks that made that choice are Darwin Award winners, or should be banned from things in society. I can assure you that if I did get sick, I would have isolated. I dont need to be banned from doing things do to my informed choice. |
There’s another difference in that analogy.
Not wearing a seat belt only impacts your safety ( and safety of others in your car)
Not getting vaccinated directly threatens the rest of society. That’s why you lose privileges for your choice.
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