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AFZ272 Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2007 Posts: 23
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:04 pm Post subject: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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Hi all,
The new California laws mean I need to skip the smog station and go directly to the referee for inspection. I'm ready to make the appointment with the referee in So-Cal with my Kennedy conversion and am looking for a little help in what to expect. Anyone been there in the last 9 months here who can help me?
Thanks,
Rich _________________ Westfaila |
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fxr Samba Member

Joined: December 07, 2014 Posts: 2646 Location: Bay area CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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I did my referee inspection in Vallejo, but the system will be the same.
Take ALL the paperwork that came with your conversion - if it was DIY, ensure you've read all the rules. If someone like Buslab did it (as ours was) then it should be a breeze. Make sure the ECU can be got at, especially if it's under the seat. It took over half-an-hour, but at 1/10th the cost of a normal SMOG it was relatively painless. Nice to have the barcode sticker ready for the local SMOG station this year.  _________________ Jim Crowther
1984 1.9l EJ22 Westy Wolfsburg Edition
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AFZ272 Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2007 Posts: 23
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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Hi Jim,
I'm guessing it was about two years ago when you did your inspection? _________________ Westfaila |
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newerwesty1987 Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2010 Posts: 407
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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What new laws are you referring to? |
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AFZ272 Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2007 Posts: 23
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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All engine swaps must go to the referees for inspection. Smog shops have been told to fail inspection. I'm told by some if you look real hard you can find a shop that either does not know or care. I've not had that luck. _________________ Westfaila |
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16CVs Samba Member

Joined: February 22, 2004 Posts: 4245 Location: Redwood City, California
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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Can you supply a link to the new smog law in California? I've done a quick search and do not see anything.
Stacy _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Triple knob (bastard)
1989 Syncro Tristar Triple knob "Swedish"
2013 Jetta Hybrid a true "Zwitter"
Samba member # 14980
Call anytime number 650 722 4914 .
Keep Your van running and upkept tastefully for the love of the hobby.
Don't let your van end up in an "abortions" thread. |
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AFZ272 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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https://www.bar.ca.gov/Industry/Engine_Change_Guidelines.aspx
All vehicles with engine changes must pass an initial inspection at a Referee Center , and must have a BAR Referee label affixed to the vehicle inside the engine compartment.
Not sure it is a law, but the BAR has told shops it is. _________________ Westfaila |
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newerwesty1987 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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I wonder if it's easier if you have reports/receipts from the last three smog inspections plus the Kennedy plaque?
This seems like it will be a nightmare for the ref's with tons of new appointments for the next two years. |
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Abscate  Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 23867 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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richardlbennett wrote: |
All engine swaps must go to the referees for inspection. Smog shops have been told to fail inspection. I'm told by some if you look real hard you can find a shop that either does not know or care. I've not had that luck. |
Not worth looking. When they catch them, and they will catch them, every car they have β passedβ will come on radar. _________________ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ π π π |
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16CVs Samba Member

Joined: February 22, 2004 Posts: 4245 Location: Redwood City, California
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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I think it's great. I've been trying to get a Bar Code for years. The Refs are way easier to deal with then Smog Guys and know what they're talking about. If this is the new law the Bring it on.
Stacy _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Triple knob (bastard)
1989 Syncro Tristar Triple knob "Swedish"
2013 Jetta Hybrid a true "Zwitter"
Samba member # 14980
Call anytime number 650 722 4914 .
Keep Your van running and upkept tastefully for the love of the hobby.
Don't let your van end up in an "abortions" thread. |
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syncrodoka Samba Member

Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12304 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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A BAR sticker is nice. The smog guy scans it and the computer tells him what the donor is and the machine is ready to go. No trying to find a smog guy that will take the KEP placard and actually knows what to do with it.
I am unfamiliar with the process of getting one these days but I would like to know how it goes. |
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16CVs Samba Member

Joined: February 22, 2004 Posts: 4245 Location: Redwood City, California
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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If you think this through, the downside is now all of the Conversions are in a nice neat database and when the Green Nazis come to put us in Electric cars weβll be easy to find.
Just a thought.
Stacy _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Triple knob (bastard)
1989 Syncro Tristar Triple knob "Swedish"
2013 Jetta Hybrid a true "Zwitter"
Samba member # 14980
Call anytime number 650 722 4914 .
Keep Your van running and upkept tastefully for the love of the hobby.
Don't let your van end up in an "abortions" thread. |
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izzydog Samba Member

Joined: April 28, 2005 Posts: 666
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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Are we talking about your first SMOG after your conversion or subsequent SMOGs? My 1.8T was referee inspected 3 years ago after I finished it, so I'll be due for SMOG soon. Going to a referee for that would be a PITA... |
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AFZ272 Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2007 Posts: 23
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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Until they change their minds again you just have to see the referee once to get the swap inspected.
Has anyone been to the ref in the last 9 months in So-Cal? _________________ Westfaila |
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SoCalWesty Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2016 Posts: 2 Location: Nor. Cal
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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richardlbennett wrote: |
Until they change their minds again you just have to see the referee once to get the swap inspected.
Has anyone been to the ref in the last 9 months in So-Cal? |
I haven't been to a ref in the last 9 months but my fresh Subaru converted van with a KEP plate passed SMOG at a shop in Southern California in November with no issues.
Is this "everyone must see a ref thing" new as of January 2020? This is the first I'm hearing of it. |
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Squidfish Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2004 Posts: 336 Location: 95519
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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Our 2.6i I-5 VW conversion came with 2 CA BAR exemption stickers that we put on the door jamb and in the engine bay back in 2004.
Have never had to smog the van living in rural Humboldt County CA .
Do I need to do anything new with the law? _________________ 1985.5 - Vanagon Westfalia Weekender Wolfsburg Edition - LH8U - "Penny"
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newerwesty1987 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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SoCalWesty wrote: |
richardlbennett wrote: |
Until they change their minds again you just have to see the referee once to get the swap inspected.
Has anyone been to the ref in the last 9 months in So-Cal? |
I haven't been to a ref in the last 9 months but my fresh Subaru converted van with a KEP plate passed SMOG at a shop in Southern California in November with no issues.
Is this "everyone must see a ref thing" new as of January 2020? This is the first I'm hearing of it. |
Where did you go? I could visit the same place next time since they know the routine. |
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Abscate  Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 23867 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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16CVs wrote: |
If you think this through, the downside is now all of the Conversions are in a nice neat database and when the Green Nazis come to put us in Electric cars weβll be easy to find.
Just a thought.
Stacy |
First they came for the cheating TDIs, and no one said anything. _________________ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ π π π |
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 4208 Location: MD
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Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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Better format:
First they came for the TDIs
and I did not speak out
because I did not have a TDI.
Then they came for the gas guzzlers... _________________ '87 Syncro Ferric Oxyhydroxide Superleggera Edition
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2wdvanagon Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Subaru swap California referee inspection |
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