Author |
Message |
Cptn. Calzone Samba Member

Joined: June 27, 2007 Posts: 1872 Location: S>E>Alabama
|
Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 10:54 am Post subject: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
Brake booster rebuilt by top VW brake outfit..all lines master wheel cyls and calipers new or rebuilt(71 Bus) Working with a vacume pump with pressure switch(didnt want to tap my then NEW Raby bus motor intake! Sooo a booster pump which functioned flawlessly for yesrs and in fact fine and dandy with the org booster..which did in fact work quite well...Prev. maint brain said" its 50 years old you did RVERYTHING ELSE Sooo off she went(booster) and came back 3 weeks later all shiny and ready to go....NOT!! Cannot get any boost and straong vacule at the line into the pump new ck valve..what am I doing wrong?? _________________ 71 westfalia
67 912 Porsche Quintilla
67 Single Cab aka my work horse |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
airschooled Air-Schooled

Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 13411 Location: West Coast, USA
|
Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 11:03 am Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
Come back with numbers. If you're seeing 18+ inches Hg, and getting no boost, something is wrong. But with aftermarket parts, you are the one responsible for confirming compatibility with measurements.
That, or your check valve is backwards. Arrow towards pump.
Robbie _________________ Elon and Trump messy gay breakup happy pride month 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
One-on-one tech help for your vintage Volkswagen:
www.airschooled.com
https://www.patreon.com/airschooled |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42066 Location: at the beach
|
Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
airschooled wrote: |
Come back with numbers. If you're seeing 18+ inches Hg, and getting no boost, something is wrong. But with aftermarket parts, you are the one responsible for confirming compatibility with measurements.
That, or your check valve is backwards. Arrow towards pump.
Robbie |
I would consider that Robbie is right on this one. Any top rebuilder would test their work before sending it out.
booster - airflow -> check valve -> vacuum source _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Cptn. Calzone Samba Member

Joined: June 27, 2007 Posts: 1872 Location: S>E>Alabama
|
Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
Yes Spoke with the rebuilder the booster is an ATE stock to the vehicle. I will test if I have 18 Hg and the rebuilder suggested I disconnect the booster and drive it to see if there is any change in the braking. I do have good brakes..however I want my booster!! How would I test for a vacume number? _________________ 71 westfalia
67 912 Porsche Quintilla
67 Single Cab aka my work horse |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
aeromech Samba Member

Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 17596 Location: San Diego, California
|
Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
Boosters are simple devices. If you got it from a reliable source it’s probably good. Have you replaced your vacuum hoses using gates power brake vacuum hose 27231? 15/32 internal diameter _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
Capable of leaping tall buildings in a single bound |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
airschooled Air-Schooled

Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 13411 Location: West Coast, USA
|
Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 12:28 am Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
It's more likely there's a hose disconnected, or some masking tape left blocking off the booster port… That's why we measure: 50% to get the results, and the other 50% to get our eyes on the simple solutions we overlook when working tired/hungry/frustrated.
Every chain auto parts store will rent a vacuum gauge. They look like this gallery picture I just found:
To the left, is vacuum, negative pressure, measured in inches of mercury (Hg.) On the right is low-pressure fuel pump testing, for carburetors and feeder pumps up to 10psi. You need to plumb this gauge into the vacuum line from vacuum source (vacuum pump in your case, engine usually,) to the servo. A stock bus will produce between 10 and 18 "Hg at idle, so it's best to be on the higher side so you get multiple pedals presses before depleting the system.
*A good booster/check valve will give you at least 3-4 pushes of the pedal after shutting down the engine. Any aftermarket system should be able to match that, at least.
Most auto parts stores will also have something like this, a universal T. You can chop it to the exact sizes if you like, but leaving it assembled works too, but just takes longer for the guage to respond.
https://www.autozone.com/fittings-and-hose-line-co...373175_0_0
I'd also like to know your vacuum pump make/model once you get this sorted. I'm always on the hunt for a quiet one; every pump I've heard is a bummer.
Good luck,
Robbie _________________ Elon and Trump messy gay breakup happy pride month 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
One-on-one tech help for your vintage Volkswagen:
www.airschooled.com
https://www.patreon.com/airschooled |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Cptn. Calzone Samba Member

Joined: June 27, 2007 Posts: 1872 Location: S>E>Alabama
|
Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
This one isnt quiet!! I thought about replacing the entire pump assy as well(its 13 years old may be tired. So new hoses and ck valve tommorrow t in line and then gauge _________________ 71 westfalia
67 912 Porsche Quintilla
67 Single Cab aka my work horse |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
W1K1 Samba Member

Joined: March 04, 2004 Posts: 5264 Location: Southern AB
|
Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
airschooled wrote: |
You need to plumb this gauge into the vacuum line from vacuum source (vacuum pump in your case, engine usually,) to the servo. A stock bus will produce between 10 and 18 "Hg at idle, so it's best to be on the higher side so you get multiple pedals presses before depleting the system.
*A good booster/check valve will give you at least 3-4 pushes of the pedal after shutting down the engine. Any aftermarket system should be able to match that, at least.
.
Good luck,
Robbie |
I was curious about my aftermarket booster and how much vacuum the EJ2.5 was pulling. The vacuum was 20 Hg at idle and dropped by 5 Hg every push of the pedal after shutdown. So it makes sense to have more pressure at idle to give you more pumps after shutdown _________________ http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php
1973 super
1965 squareback 1500E
1971 bay window westy- subi swap |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
aeromech Samba Member

Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 17596 Location: San Diego, California
|
Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
I’ve only installed one vacuum pump in a bus. It was a bad idea. I did however use rubber isolators to dampen the noise. You can easily find them on amazon _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
Capable of leaping tall buildings in a single bound |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
OB Bus Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2003 Posts: 2672 Location: Ocean Beach - San Diego
|
Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 10:26 am Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
airschooled wrote: |
I'd also like to know your vacuum pump make/model once you get this sorted. I'm always on the hunt for a quiet one; every pump I've heard is a bummer.
Good luck,
Robbie |
Me too! Amazon shows electric vacuum pumps at ~$200 +/- $50. Not cheap but getting the manifold tapped and running a rubber hose front-to-back is not cheap or easy. _________________ Larry in OB
Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery!
69 Westfalia and 2002 Eurovan Camper.
People deserve the Government they voted for. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42066 Location: at the beach
|
Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
OB Bus wrote: |
airschooled wrote: |
I'd also like to know your vacuum pump make/model once you get this sorted. I'm always on the hunt for a quiet one; every pump I've heard is a bummer.
Good luck,
Robbie |
Me too! Amazon shows electric vacuum pumps at ~$200 +/- $50. Not cheap but getting the manifold tapped and running a rubber hose front-to-back is not cheap or easy. |
as long as you induction system pulls enough vacuum, it would be best to use a hose. If you use thin wall pipe, like VW did on later bays, you can replace much of the hose with that. _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Wasted youth Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2012 Posts: 5173 Location: California's Hot and Smoggy Central Valley
|
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 12:09 am Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
When you reinstalled the booster, did you properly set the pushrod adjustment?
It’s been several years since I did this, and my memory may be playing tricks on me, but I know when I replaced the vacuum booster on my Vanagon, a small adjustment on the rod makes a huge difference in functionality. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Cptn. Calzone Samba Member

Joined: June 27, 2007 Posts: 1872 Location: S>E>Alabama
|
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 7:38 am Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
I set the rod where it was and possibly could adjust again(more push) and see ho w that works _________________ 71 westfalia
67 912 Porsche Quintilla
67 Single Cab aka my work horse |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
lil-jinx Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2013 Posts: 1513 Location: New Brunswick,Canada
|
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 8:22 am Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
is the vacuum pump cutting out as it should when it reachs it set vacuum or does it just keep running ,and not reach the switch shut off vacuum .if it keeps running I would suspect a leak,or a failing pump ,if it shut off then I would suspect a rod adjustment or a faulty booster ,you may need to adjust the rod at the front as well as at the MC . _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620186
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=668799
1974 Bay Westfalia. she likes to be called Ethel.
1968 Dune Buggy sold dec 2024
1974 parts bus
A smart man learns from his mistakes,a very smart man learns from other's mistakes. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Cptn. Calzone Samba Member

Joined: June 27, 2007 Posts: 1872 Location: S>E>Alabama
|
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
The pump runs and runs..so I purchased a new switch..NOT the exact switch...It still runs on forever....soooo I am installing ALL NEW vacume lines ck valve and pump... _________________ 71 westfalia
67 912 Porsche Quintilla
67 Single Cab aka my work horse |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Cptn. Calzone Samba Member

Joined: June 27, 2007 Posts: 1872 Location: S>E>Alabama
|
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
I agree the pump may be tired..soo a new on is going in!! _________________ 71 westfalia
67 912 Porsche Quintilla
67 Single Cab aka my work horse |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42066 Location: at the beach
|
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
the Bentley explains how to adjust the brake servo rod for 1971 and later. _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
lil-jinx Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2013 Posts: 1513 Location: New Brunswick,Canada
|
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
if you block the intake for the pump ,can you feel suction ,and will the pump then shut off,if yes to both then the pump and switch is working ,although it don,t prove the switch setting, _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620186
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=668799
1974 Bay Westfalia. she likes to be called Ethel.
1968 Dune Buggy sold dec 2024
1974 parts bus
A smart man learns from his mistakes,a very smart man learns from other's mistakes. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
W1K1 Samba Member

Joined: March 04, 2004 Posts: 5264 Location: Southern AB
|
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
lil-jinx wrote: |
if you block the intake for the pump ,can you feel suction ,and will the pump then shut off,if yes to both then the pump and switch is working ,although it don,t prove the switch setting, |
you could always put the gauge on it to see if it's generating enough vacuum, and/or what pressure it is shutting off at
_________________ http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php
1973 super
1965 squareback 1500E
1971 bay window westy- subi swap |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Cptn. Calzone Samba Member

Joined: June 27, 2007 Posts: 1872 Location: S>E>Alabama
|
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: rebuilt brake booster doesnt work |
|
|
Jinkx the vacume is present although not very strong feeling(finger tip gaugelol) and the pump does not shut off..henceforth the whole new pump assy and swithch being installed _________________ 71 westfalia
67 912 Porsche Quintilla
67 Single Cab aka my work horse |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
|