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MSGGrunt Samba Member
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Kdj Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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By no means a subaru expert. But the simple fact that the Van Cafe has baffles and a pick-up that seem like they were designed to work together would do it for me. |
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Franklinstower Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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there is some good research out there why Subaru changed the design of their oil pans, windage trays and pick up tubes. I think Killer B has some videos why the changes were necessary. It boils down to even the stock pans (before they changed design) had oil starvation issues. And in my opinion, it is even a bigger issue in a vanagon constantly running at higher RPM's and angles when off roading etc.
I am really surprised we don't have better options for shortened, hi capacity oil pans. _________________ '89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
'75 Miami Blue Sunroof FI Standard Bug
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dmaynes Samba Member
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MSGGrunt Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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Well, I already bought Van Cafe's engine mount, so that's out. I looked at Van Cafe's oil pan and I like the concept. And given it is designed for the EJ25 swap into a Vanagon I would expect their exhaust would not interfere. Or have one custom made locally. |
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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The oil pan is cast from high-quality, locally sourced aluminum to ensure superior strength and durability. |
Can I buy this at the Saturday morning farmers market?  _________________ '87 Syncro Ferric Oxyhydroxide Superleggera Edition
'85 Westy Sciuridae Domus Edition |
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Franklinstower Samba Member

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MSGGrunt Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 2:49 am Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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Seems the Van Cafe pan is the best overall design? Retains the factory capacity and they say internally baffled with shortened dip stick and pick up.
Or if I am not worried about clearance run the newer style pan. |
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Crooked Designer Samba Member

Joined: March 22, 2018 Posts: 573 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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4Gears4Tires wrote: |
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The oil pan is cast from high-quality, locally sourced aluminum to ensure superior strength and durability. |
Can I buy this at the Saturday morning farmers market?  |
It’s made from 100% locally sourced Bud Light cans. _________________ '85 Westy full camper, Subaru 2.5L, 5 speed SubiGears + 5speedbus shifter kit |
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a914622 Samba Member

Joined: July 29, 2004 Posts: 911 Location: Westend of HWY2 , Wash
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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Dry sump system!!
All kidding aside, not sure why these pans are being made with out windage and baffles?? I remember seeing a video of the new Porsche engine being run on a dyno that simulated the conditions of the Isl of Mann. The engine was rotating and twisting almost upside down to simulate the G forces.
Not the same race conditions but the sloshing in a vanagon has to be happening.
Jcl _________________ 87 gl powerd buy 2.5subaru
75 914 getting 2.2t subaru scratch that SVX subaru |
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Franklinstower Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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a914622 wrote: |
Dry sump system!!
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The ultimate solution-better oil scavenging and clearance:
https://www.rallispec.com/eng_opu_rcm2668.html _________________ '89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
'75 Miami Blue Sunroof FI Standard Bug
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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Crooked Designer wrote: |
4Gears4Tires wrote: |
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The oil pan is cast from high-quality, locally sourced aluminum to ensure superior strength and durability. |
Can I buy this at the Saturday morning farmers market?  |
It’s made from 100% locally sourced Bud Light cans. |
This pan's for you! _________________ '87 Syncro Ferric Oxyhydroxide Superleggera Edition
'85 Westy Sciuridae Domus Edition |
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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I've been running the Outfront Motorsports shortened pan and pickup for over 85,000 miles with zero issues.
I went with those guys because they build reliable 500HP+ race motors and would seem to know what they are doing!  _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7.5 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
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shagginwagon83  Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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Jake de Villiers wrote: |
I've been running the Outfront Motorsports shortened pan |
Same here. I asked them to modify a new oil pan for a couple of bucks extra. _________________ "Jo Ann" - '83.5 Westfalia EJ22e w/Peloquin
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MSGGrunt Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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If you are not off-roading is there that much of a risk of hitting something with a stock pan? I am thinking the upgraded, 2009 and newer, OEM pan with the corresponding dip stick, dick stick tube, baffle and pickup can be had for under $200.00 |
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syncrodoka Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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MSGGrunt wrote: |
If you are not off-roading is there that much of a risk of hitting something with a stock pan? |
I have heard of owners backing into a parking spot and punching a hole into the oil pan on a parking block.  |
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shagginwagon83  Samba Member

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skemems Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Subaru EJ25 Shortened Oil Pan Options |
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dobryan wrote: |
Wonder what the depth dimension of their pan is? |
Description says its 60mm reduction in height from stock pan.
Seem to be similar to the outfront motorsport pan (cut and welded) with fins for heat dissipation. Capacity is only 3.75L. Would not be my first choice. _________________ 87 VW Westfalia - EJ25
86 VW Westfalia - EJ22
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