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vw62kid
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...I don't know why but the machine shop I used screwed up their first attempt at installing the IM shaft inner bearing. i.e. I could see installing that part as being a bit tricky.
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Yeaaaah I ended up destroying my inner IM shaft bearing myself. Now I need to order another set  all a learning experience!
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vw62kid
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rogertj
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| Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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See if the harbor freight Bearing race and seal driver set help those are cheap and can sustain a pounding those are the ones that have and have always worked you can always see if the pricier ones are right for you.
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Had a Carbureted ABA after engoing the heck out of it now going for ABA 2.0 Jetta EFI ill put a garrett in to the tin can later or maybe go electric?
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vw62kid
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| Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:50 am Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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| See if the harbor freight Bearing race and seal driver set help those are cheap and can sustain a pounding those are the ones that have and have always worked you can always see if the pricier ones are right for you. |
Good idea! I'll definitely look into that! I've also had a couple people tell me that a cam bearing tool for a v8 works. I'll have to check both options out.
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Abscate 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:03 am Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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With all the uncertainties in these conversions its great to see that people will take a chance on an ABA
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vanagonjr
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| Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:04 am Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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On the ABA that I resealed, I think I left the inner bearing alone, but I made a home made puller to remove to remove the outer one. I may have used it to install the bearing as well. I don't have access to it right now for pictures, but I used stepped plastic fitting from McMaster to press (or tap-hammer) the bearing in.
And I did wreck a bearing before developing a new approach.
I look and post a picture tonight. I should have some extra inner bearings that I could give you.
I could not get the oil hole in the bearing to align with such in the block very well, as I bearing rotates slightly as it is pressed in.
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Vanagon Nut
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| Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:19 am Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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| ....Does anyone have any information on what bit you used to press these bearings in? |
You might find info on that searching VW diesel engine re builds here. |
I was searching for ?Waldo? posts and found this re IM shaft et al:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=...ng#9551749
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vw62kid
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vw62kid
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:31 am Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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...I was searching for ?Waldo? posts and found this re IM shaft et al
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It looks like he had a machine shop make his press tools. I bet those work nice. If the cam bearing tool doesn't fit the way I'd like it to I may have to see about something like this since I work at a metal fabrication shop.
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Kptstyle
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:20 am Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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| What are you using for a oil pan? I got the 50 deg pickup tube installed and my stock oil pan don’t fit? Thanks |
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connorsvw2
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:54 am Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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I saw a post on the Vortex recently about using a camshaft bearing driver for V8 engines for the IMS bearings. Of course now I can't find the bookmark...
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Vanagon Nut
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vw62kid
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vw62kid
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| Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:25 am Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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| I saw a post on the Vortex recently about using a camshaft bearing driver for V8 engines for the IMS bearings. Of course now I can't find the bookmark... |
I've heard of this myself. BBM suggested using a cam bearing tool for a v8 as well. As soon as I receive my new bearing I'll grab one and take pictures of how it fits up to the bearing.
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Kptstyle
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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| What are you using for a oil pan? I got the 50 deg pickup tube installed and my stock oil pan don’t fit? Thanks |
You'll need the 50° oil pan off of a diesel vanagon. I purchased one off of ebay and it bolts up to the aba block. |
Thanks man oddly enough I couldn’t find this info anywhere . |
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vw62kid
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Kptstyle
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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| Thanks man oddly enough I couldn’t find this info anywhere . |
For sure man! Yeah I just bought a no name oil pan off of ebay for a little over $100. (I think prices went up) Something like this. I bet the real vw one is better though.
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Does the oil capacity change ? I put 4.7 qts in it with the pickup tube and 50 deg oil pan and my oil light is on I’m running 10w 40 oil thanks ! |
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vw62kid
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:28 am Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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| Does the oil capacity change ? I put 4.7 qts in it with the pickup tube and 50 deg oil pan and my oil light is on I’m running 10w 40 oil thanks ! |
You installed the diesel oil pick up tube? The last aba swap we did we put a little less than what the diesel vanagon oil capacity is which I think is 4.8qts so it sounds like you're right with the oil capacity. I'm not really sure when it comes to this because I'm not at this step yet, but I've heard of people needing to prime their oil pumps. Maybe this could be causing it?
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Kptstyle
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:18 am Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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| Does the oil capacity change ? I put 4.7 qts in it with the pickup tube and 50 deg oil pan and my oil light is on I’m running 10w 40 oil thanks ! |
You installed the diesel oil pick up tube? The last aba swap we did we put a little less than what the diesel vanagon oil capacity is which I think is 4.8qts so it sounds like you're right with the oil capacity. I'm not really sure when it comes to this because I'm not at this step yet, but I've heard of people needing to prime their oil pumps. Maybe this could be causing it? |
Yea I used the 50 deg pickup tube I’ll look into priming it thanks |
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Vanagon Nut
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:51 am Post subject: Re: ABA Vanagon Conversion |
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edit: In light of Mark Wards post, I'm reminded of work I did on my 50º DV/ABA oil pump:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8854020&highlight=vanagon+nut#8854020
As a (still) engine rebuilding newb, I did my best but the oil pump still loses its' prime. But, the oil filter really helps with that.
To be clear i wasn't suggesting that *all* ABA swaps using the DV/ABA oil pump combo will have this "issue" but if one does, using the filter I point to could really help that.
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For a 50º ABA with diesel Vanagon pickup tube and ABA oil pump. Consider using this filter:
VW branded 06A 115 561 B (not Mann, Mahle)
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Engine cold: this filter, vs Mahle, Mann, consistently shortens time my diesel-ABA oil pump takes to "pump up" at start. Pump sound takes only a full second at most to abate, even after engine not used for days or longer.
Neil.
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