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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Putting older Bumpers/Fenders on a '74 Super Reply with quote

You really need to make drop brackets otherwise the bumpers end up too high, and a '75 with it's shock bumper mounts makes that a little harder 'cause you can't just do a slight mod to the commercially available '68 - '73 drop brackets.

Can message docswitzer, he did a nice job on his Super and has logged in recently; there's additional 'before' pictures and a couple of his first attempt brackets in his gallery, but none currently of the drop brackets.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: Putting older Bumpers/Fenders on a '74 Super Reply with quote

It's a lot of money and work,
I would just keep it stock, a super bug is a better driving car but uglier than a standard bug.
Add a set of aluminium tbars is what I would do and buy a nice Flat4 steering wheel with the money saved.
Remember you should be spending more time inside your Bug driving it than worrying about how it looks on the outside!
Good luck.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: Putting older Bumpers on a '74 Super Reply with quote

dayTripper75 wrote:
Did you ever accomplish this? I have a 75 Super and I'd like to do the same thing (just the more interesting bumpers). Any insight would be appreciated!

Just to add some context to this topic...

67-earlier Beetles mounted the front bumpers thru the front apron and mounted them inside the spare tire well (STD Beetle).
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On '68-later Beetles, the bumper mounted thru the fenders to the fender wells on the outside of the trunk.
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So mounting the early style bumpers to the later style Beetles using the later mounting points requires a custom mounting bracket that fits between the stock SB mounting points on the car and the bolt holes in the early bumper. Or you need to cut slots thru the front apron and fabricate custom mount points there behind the apron for the brackets to mount to. On the SB, I'm not sure there is much behind the apron to mount to.

Here is an adapter bracket to mount an early bumper to a later (up to '73) STD Beetle (not SB). I don't believe they will work with the wider SB front end or on '74-later Beetles that used shock absorbing front bumper brackets (tubes), but it may give you some ideas for creating your own.
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https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C13%2D15%2D2045

See this thread where they attempted to use the above brackets on a SB and the wider SB front didn't allow the brackets to work.
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=680351
But there was a suggestions that cutting and moving the flats where the front bumper mounted might allow it to fit. Basically customizing the brackets. At which point, if you have the means to cut and re-weld the brackets, you have the tools to make your own brackets from flat steel.
Looking at the above pic, the early bumpers look much too narrow for the wide front of the SB. Shocked


EDIT: I found a thread where someone did it:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9440068
Read the feedback carefully... the early front and rear bumpers on the SB that looks like it fit used custom made brackets and the bumper blades appear to be custom made stainless steel blades that were wider than stock to fit the wider SB body.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: Putting older Bumpers/Fenders on a '74 Super Reply with quote

windfish wrote:
You really need to make drop brackets otherwise the bumpers end up too high, and a '75 with it's shock bumper mounts makes that a little harder 'cause you can't just do a slight mod to the commercially available '68 - '73 drop brackets.

Can message docswitzer, he did a nice job on his Super and has logged in recently; there's additional 'before' pictures and a couple of his first attempt brackets in his gallery, but none currently of the drop brackets.

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To each his own, but personally I think this looks awesome and would love to see the adapter brackets that allow this exact mounting(I have a '74 Super but want the early Euroblade bumpers for my outlaw style autocross car)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:57 am    Post subject: Re: Putting older Bumpers/Fenders on a '74 Super Reply with quote

It can be done. And very tasteful if done correctly. The conversion brackets will work, but you either have to modify them to fit the bumper bolt holes, or re-drill new holes to adapt to the bracket.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: Putting older Bumpers/Fenders on a '74 Super Reply with quote

@Chandabear, not clear from your pics but does the stock early style bumper span the entire width of the car in both the front and the rear? From your pics it looks like the front bumper is well within the width of the front fenders, but the rear appears just about the correct width as the rear fenders?

I bring it up because it was mentioned in the earlier thread that the front bumper was a custom stainless blade that was wider than stock to match the wider width of the SB.


I do like the retro look you have going there. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:58 am    Post subject: Re: Putting older Bumpers/Fenders on a '74 Super Reply with quote

My issue is the car is a '74 with shock absorber bumper brackets. Is the bolt pattern the same? Will the holes line up?

I had a '73 Super I recently sold. On that car, my son had had a minor fender bender and I replaced the fenders with ones from a '74 i had on hand. The holes absolutely did not align in a way that made brackets easy to design. This was the rear. I had no issues with '74 fenders on the front.

Your car looks outstanding, IMO!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Putting older Bumpers/Fenders on a '74 Super Reply with quote

ashman40 wrote:
@Chandabear, not clear from your pics but does the stock early style bumper span the entire width of the car in both the front and the rear? From your pics it looks like the front bumper is well within the width of the front fenders, but the rear appears just about the correct width as the rear fenders?

I bring it up because it was mentioned in the earlier thread that the front bumper was a custom stainless blade that was wider than stock to match the wider width of the SB.


I do like the retro look you have going there. Cool


Thanks man!, both front and rerar bumpers were widened to match the exact extra that was added to the fenders. In person, they both fit the body and have I guess roughly an inch inside both sides??? Could be less. But neither of them go past the width of the fenders.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Putting older Bumpers/Fenders on a '74 Super Reply with quote

H2OSB wrote:
My issue is the car is a '74 with shock absorber bumper brackets. Is the bolt pattern the same? Will the holes line up?

Check out this thread - https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=736116&start=4  
jitbba has one of the cleanest adapter brackets I've seen for '74+;  stock shock bracket spliced to the aftermarket conversion bracket.  

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Might have to play with the angle/spacing to get it to line up on a Super, but at that point you've got the welder out anyways.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: Putting older Bumpers/Fenders on a '74 Super Reply with quote

H2OSB wrote:
My issue is the car is a '74 with shock absorber bumper brackets. Is the bolt pattern the same? Will the holes line up?

I believe the answer is no and no.

This pic describes the issue with using a '75+ shock absorbing bumper on a pre-74 STD Beetle. I've not tried it personally, but it seems like the holes/bolt placement are not at all the same.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Putting older Bumpers/Fenders on a '74 Super Reply with quote

H2OSB wrote:
My issue is the car is a '74 with shock absorber bumper brackets. Is the bolt pattern the same? Will the holes line up?

I had a '73 Super I recently sold. On that car, my son had had a minor fender bender and I replaced the fenders with ones from a '74 i had on hand. The holes absolutely did not align in a way that made brackets easy to design. This was the rear. I had no issues with '74 fenders on the front.

Your car looks outstanding, IMO!

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All the holes do not line up, but you can redrill them with plenty of room.
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