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busdaddy Samba Member

Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 52928 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Every time I've braved the snow in a pre rusted bus around here it worked great, but you have to give yourself lots of space to stop as the ass end is always trying to pass the front.
You need a good heater, good brakes, good lights, good tires, a light foot and lots of goop underneath like ovalbug, oh yeah and hose it off underneath and in the rockers and framerails whenever you can.
We only get 2-3 snowfalls a year around here and it's the slushy, slippery stuff. Some of the local drivers make it such a freak show it's safer to stay home until it melts. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
Please don't PM technical questions, ask your problem in public so everyone can play along. If you think it's too stupid post it here
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73kombi Banned

Joined: April 11, 2006 Posts: 1215 Location: ~The London Bridge, AZ~
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Randy in Maine wrote: |
To me the best way to get through winter driving is to:
Make sure your brakes are working properly and are not pulling.
Keep all of your lights and wipers in good working order.
Ditto to heat and defrost.
Snow tires are a plus. All season radials are the south's revenge for the north winning the Civil War or the war of "Northern Agression".
Keep it full of gas. It will pay off.
Make all of your moves steady and deliberate.
Give yourself some space for evasive maneuvers. Body parts are hard to score for anything I am driving.
Stay away from yahoos that are an accident waiting to happen.
Take the time to remove all of the snow and ice from yoru car so that it is never an issue.
Use your rear wheel drive to your advantage for slowing down in a straight line. |
Thank you Randy......you read the OP and replied with advice!
how odd...... |
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Joey Samba Member

Joined: August 12, 2005 Posts: 5376 Location: Nova Scotia - Canada
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Here is a tip:
If you find yourself stuck in some snow with only one wheel spinning, lightly apply the hand/emergency brake, that will get the other wheel spinning enough to maybe get you out.
 _________________ Joey
‘60 Kombi - '74 Bus - '79 Panel - '65 Beetle |
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Karzapart55 Samba Member

Joined: May 26, 2004 Posts: 642 Location: Old Bridge NJ
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Here in metro NYC you need salt. no open ground, poor drainage. = sheets of ice, not to mention 100 cars to sq foot |
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vwbdog Samba Member

Joined: October 11, 2006 Posts: 36
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: Thanks |
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Big thanks to everyone's imput... Some of the tips mentioned, I would have never thought of. If my bus and I make it through winter in one peice, I'll give an update.
Cheers,
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Emily's Owner  Samba Member

Joined: January 18, 2004 Posts: 1028 Location: Canby, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Thiings I've noticed in driving my bus for years up to Mt. Hood (Oregon) to go skiing:
4 studded snow tires are better than 2.
Chains are handy, although I've only had to use them 3 times in the last 25 years, and that was in Portland on the flats.
If somebody's riding your ass coming down a steep snowy hill, let'em, speeding up in our busses is not recommended, or as soon as you start doing a lot of braking, gravity will take over and the engine wishes to go downhill first, and you will see more scenery than you wish (as it flashes past the windshield as you spin).
Don't leave the parking brake on when you're off skiing all day.  _________________ Xargaret
ITMC - OG Den Mother
What (and I cannot stress this enough) The Actual Fuck?!
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twinfalls Samba Member

Joined: November 21, 2003 Posts: 2133 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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No frozen fuel lines after your day skying ?
I had, but with another car. _________________ Stock 1974 US Westy, AW-A 1800cc dual carbs. Twin Falls is my favorite site on the Churchill river in Manitoba. |
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jamesinkster Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2006 Posts: 77 Location: North Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Frozen fuel lines??
craggy...
how can i avoid that? |
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twinfalls Samba Member

Joined: November 21, 2003 Posts: 2133 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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jamesinkster wrote: |
Frozen fuel lines??
craggy...
how can i avoid that? |
When I was in Chicago, I vaguely remember a product named "Heath" or somthing, to add in the tank to remove moisture ( a spray or a liquid ).
In France, after skying all day, we could have a frozen gas line. Then we rigged a gas can as an alternate tank, with a hose, direct to the fuel pump ( may be direct to the carb ). That was enough to start, go back down to milder temperatures.
BTW The frozen gas line was on cars with tank at the back, engine at the front, gas line under the floor.
I did a lot of snow driving, but a little with a VW bus. A VW bus can do some, but it cannot perform on tough winter mountain conditions. _________________ Stock 1974 US Westy, AW-A 1800cc dual carbs. Twin Falls is my favorite site on the Churchill river in Manitoba.
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Randy in Maine Samba Member

Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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I think it is called "heet" and is a fuel line dryer. Somesort of alcohol as I recall. |
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twinfalls Samba Member

Joined: November 21, 2003 Posts: 2133 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Randy in Maine wrote: |
I think it is called "heet" and is a fuel line dryer. Somesort of alcohol as I recall. |
Right, that must be it, Chicago 1978 or Boston 1976. _________________ Stock 1974 US Westy, AW-A 1800cc dual carbs. Twin Falls is my favorite site on the Churchill river in Manitoba. |
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jered Samba Member

Joined: February 16, 2006 Posts: 436
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Bus vs. Snow |
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vwbdog wrote: |
Hello,
I'm new to the whole cold weather driving when it comes to my '76 bus. What precautions should I take when I encounter snow (how well does a bus drive in snow, Chains?), and are their maintenance issues I should be ready for?
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I drove my 77 bus all winter in Anchorage Alaska last winter... I have a set of studded tires that I use and it drove awesome! No issues what so ever.. other then a little chilly with the sub Zero temps... _________________ No VW right now....  |
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danfromsyr Samba Member

Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15391 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: |
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just make sure you carry a TOW STRAP not a $5 cheapie either.. but a $40 decent unit that won't break when the strains of a stuck SUV you have to pull out
tow strap isn't for you, it's for the SUV latte, cell phone, screaming kid folk..  |
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Blaubus Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2003 Posts: 5153
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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(how well does a bus drive in snow, |
steering is a problem, but the traction is great. even better up hill since the more you tip it to the rear the more vehicle body weight you have over the drive wheels. with the engine, gas tank, and much of the bus all over the drive wheels, it has better traction up hills than any other two wheel drive vehicle. now imagine if it had a limited slip diffy. for early bays, a more powerful engine with an 091 trans would also improve traction at low RPMs. for those with no snow experience, low RPMs in highest doable gear is the best way to keep traction.
an a full gas tank gives it even more traction, and it keeps the line from freezing. when purchasing the gasline antifreeze, make sure it is isopropyl alcohol. the methyl is not nearly as good a value.
put some weight in the front when snowgoing, for the sake of your steering. |
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meloveherbie53 Samba Member
Joined: April 10, 2006 Posts: 72 Location: Campbell River
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Most vehicles have the motor in the front so the better traction is over the front wheels giving you better steering in the snow. Now Because the Vw bus has the engine in the back it has better traction over the back tires thus giving it better traction on the driving wheels but because theres no weight in the front exept our own bodys, I put sand bags between the front seats to add extra weight to the front so that I get better steering in the snow and on the logging roads. Another good tip is to never slam your breaks on around a corner YOU WILL SLIDE IN THE DITCH. Instead approach the corner slowly. As for VW busses in the snow I think there great but like any car have to be coaxed correctly in the snow to stay in control. _________________ Type: 73 volkswagen campmobile
name: purple people eater (till I paint it)
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Hippie Samba Tinner

Joined: August 16, 2004 Posts: 1781 Location: Iowa: The Mud State
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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73kombi wrote: |
I never understood why the east/mid-west side of this country cant drive on flat ground without dumping salt all over the place? It ain't like salt is that much cheaper than dirt.
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We (drivers) don't dump the salt. The local government does it, and they don't ask permission.
Maybe it's the same reason that they still make car bodies out of rustable sheet steel after over 100 years of making cars. They do it so that you have to buy a new car every so often. They also time the traffic signal lights so that you have to stop at every intersection regardless of cross traffic conditions. People are getting fed up and running the lights. Instead of retiming the lights, they put in expensive cameras to catch the red-light-runners.
Maybe big oil is footing the bill for that one?
I don't know. It all fits together in the general stupidity of departments of transportation somehow.
More to the point: I carry tire chains, but it gets around pretty well for a rear wheel drive, I think.
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spyder Samba Member

Joined: December 14, 2005 Posts: 66 Location: Moab, Utah
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:19 am Post subject: |
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I was hitch-hiking home from work at Copper Mountain Ski Resort in '92 and was picked up by this cool (cold) ol' hippie in a late 50's bus. We pulled the up-side of Freemont Pass at 30 mph and had to scrape the frost off of the windshield with cassette tape cases. That was the safest I had ever felt in any vehicle on that road all winter (exept my '73 Beetle of course ). No chains, just good safe driving. |
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Zed Samba Member

Joined: July 29, 2005 Posts: 281 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: |
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I drove a '70 westy all last winter at 8500 feet in Colorado, and only got seriously stuck once. It snows ALOT where I live, but I was very impressed with how the bay did.
I once got a ticket for driving through a snowstorm on I25 when it was closed in Colorado in a '60 Westy (wish I still had her!), she did great, I was crusin with chains when I got pulled over, the cop seemed shocked that I was rolling a split through 20 inches of snow. I made it no problem to CO Springs from Telluride, but then the clutch took a dump and I had to pull a engine in the snow and that was miserable. I think the conditions had something to do with the clutch going out, but I'm not sure.
If your going to carry chains, carry bungee cords too, they can be looped through the chains over the hub and will take up the slack. If you've never put chains on tires before, practice when it doesn't matter.
That said, I'm rolling a Nissan pickup this season, 4WD and heat are good things too. |
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GeorgeL Samba Member

Joined: January 16, 2006 Posts: 7346
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: |
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casey79westfalia wrote: |
Actually my bro lives in Fort Collins and evrytime I come out to colorado I go bus hunting. Colorado buses still rust just like they do on the east coast. |
It's a matter of perspective. To us Left Coast folks, Colorado is quite a ways east!
When they talk about "west coast" buses they are actually referring to desert buses. Nothing like nice dry air to keep the rust demons at bay! |
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twinfalls Samba Member

Joined: November 21, 2003 Posts: 2133 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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spyder wrote: |
I was hitch-hiking home from work at Copper Mountain Ski Resort in '92 and was picked up by this cool (cold) ol' hippie in a late 50's bus. We pulled the up-side of Freemont Pass at 30 mph and had to scrape the frost off of the windshield with cassette tape cases. That was the safest I had ever felt in any vehicle on that road all winter (exept my '73 Beetle of course ). No chains, just good safe driving. |
I love, this VW community, giving me, great memories, from the late 70s.
I was in Copper Mountain, Snow Mass, Aspen at various times in the year with a Rabbit or a Westy.
Near, Copper mountain, cheap and nice stay in Frisco, where it looks so much like the French Alpes. And fantastic snow ( but bald landscape ) going to the highest places around Copper Mountain.
If you've pics, where I could see what became of this great skying area, please show it to me. _________________ Stock 1974 US Westy, AW-A 1800cc dual carbs. Twin Falls is my favorite site on the Churchill river in Manitoba. |
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