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markswagen Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2018 Posts: 1555 Location: san diego
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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two in particular l remember, both from watching gowesty tutorials, one was a guy who did their AUX battery installation, l was happy to do the job for him, unfortunatly for him, one of the red wires he cut out, was the main feed wire for the radiator fan, 1984 water cooled, all was good, until he got stuck on the freeway, his fan didn't cut in, his engine overheated and blew head gaskets and ruined his engine.
the other was a different guy, he'd also gotten the GW aux battery kit, his problem was the crimp tool he had, that left crimp terminals loose, which ultimately caused a fire under the drivers seat of his van.
neither guy touches their westy at all with any intention of trying to fix something, they are both cured.
EverettB wrote: |
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l'd like to add.
''just because you can, doesn't mean you should''
l work for some folk who have no business tinkering, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a wrench, as they had previously done damage to their pride and joy, because they'd looked on youtube or what ever, and seen it doesn't look a ''difficult'' task. |
That's weird since I've watched some YouTube videos for stuff I had no idea how to fix and everything worked great.
But I probably have a certain base level knowledge of how to fix random stuff.
Plus I'd rather fuck up and do it twice than pay someone in a lot of cases, haha
I have screwed up and tried to loosen "reverse threaded" things the wrong way a few times.
Especially if the thing is upside down at the time.
Why won't it loosen?!?!? Ooops, I'm turning it the wrong way LOL |
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Abscate  Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 24066 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 3:55 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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OldSchoolVW's wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
markswagen wrote: |
l'd like to add.
''just because you can, doesn't mean you should''
l work for some folk who have no business tinkering, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a wrench, as they had previously done damage to their pride and joy, because they'd looked on youtube or what ever, and seen it doesn't look a ''difficult'' task. |
That's weird since I've watched some YouTube videos for stuff I had no idea how to fix and everything worked great.
But I probably have a certain base level knowledge of how to fix random stuff.
Plus I'd rather fuck up and do it twice than pay someone in a lot of cases, haha |
YouTube demonstrations only go so far. Aptitude for the task, perseverance and a high tolerance for screwing up are what make any experience a learning experience. Thomas Edison knew this well.
"Always make new mistakes." Esther Dyson |
Fine for simple tasks like checking your oil and tire pressures.
It does not substitute for expertise. _________________ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐ ๐ ๐ |
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Dusty1 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:52 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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EverettB wrote: |
I'd rather fuck up and do it twice than pay someone in a lot of cases, haha |
"You can pay someone to screw something up for you or you can screw it up yourself for FREE.
Unfortunately many if not most VW restorations are amateur restorations. A semi- rough VW will eat up so much time it's a $100,000 restoration if you have someone do it for you.
Guy I used to work for deliberately sabotages every VW that rolls through his doors. He advertises in the Classifieds here. I'm tempted to yell,
"Run! Run away!"
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It does not substitute for expertise. |
One of my Guest Mechanic gigs was replacing fuel pumps in ten year old full sized Chevy pickups. The vehicles act like they're out of gas when the pump starts to fail. Owners fill their 22 gallon tanks. That's about 150 pounds which is why I get the call. Extra hands make light work.
My young buddy Dan took over for me. Kid was home schooled. He's an idiot savant without the idiot part. He's a highly skilled self- taught bicycle mechanic now an auto mechanic. He wanted a steady gig so I gave him mine. Kid can do an engine swap before noon on a vehicle he's not familiar with. Drive it outta there and go to lunch. Kid is extremely detail oriented. I've never seen him make a mistake.
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33191 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:08 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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Somehow I misplaced my SD photo card reader that plugs into my laptop USB port. So I ordered a new one from Amazon for $5, highly rated.
Dell Latitude E5450 with Windows 10. Computer would not recognize the reader whether card was inserted or not; the light did come on. I tried to "add new hardware" and that didn't help. I left in the USB port and restarted computer, didn't help. I don't know enough about computers if replacement reader of same type would work. So I'm returning it; Magna cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, and can't get simple device to work.... _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Xevin  Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2014 Posts: 8749
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 10:25 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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Some people struggle to post pictures, gifs, YouTube vids, and even search on The Samba. Not to call the kettle names but iโm not the best mechanic either but slowly I keep learning. _________________ Keep on Busin'
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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Jon Schmid Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2012 Posts: 2136 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 10:37 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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We are fucked, the future is terrifying, the can do attitude, competence is slipping away rapidly. People have become helpless Society is rapidly devolving, down the drain. The end is near. |
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chrisflstf Samba Member

Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 4117 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:01 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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I worked on large scale commercial ink jet printers made by Epson. Makes unbelievable prints, but servicing them was a nightmare. I told my manager at the time, if epson ever made a car, you would have to pull the motor and trans to replace a taillight!
Some of their printers had all the sensors in the carriage, but all were only accessible from the underside with only about 8 inches of room. Epsons answer to make them easier to service? They put a polished stainless steel pan under the carriage so you could look at the reflection, upside down to get at the very small sensors, screw and paper thin flex cables. It was a nightmare |
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Dusty1 Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2004 Posts: 2176
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:09 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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Around 40 years ago... back when most people couldn't tell the difference between New Wave and Punk much less the difference between ska and reggae... there was a band called Devo. Although they themselves were smart young fellers and they continue to be so, they promoted the concept of de- evolution, reverse Darwinism as it were. Being as humans seem to be the one species immune to actual Darwinism, Devo may have been on to something.
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Xevin  Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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Dusty1 wrote: |
Around 40 years ago... back when most people couldn't tell the difference between New Wave and Punk much less the difference between ska and reggae... there was a band called Devo. Although they themselves were smart young fellers and they continue to be so, they promoted the concept of de- evolution, reverse Darwinism as it were. Being as humans seem to be the one species immune to actual Darwinism, Devo may have been on to something.
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Are we not men? _________________ Keep on Busin'
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin...  |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
SGKent wrote: |
My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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KTPhil  Samba Member

Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 36022 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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Corollary:
"It is easier to get into something than to get out of it."
- Donald Rumsfeld _________________ Current Fleet:
- '71 Fastback
- '69 Westfalia
Retired:
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- '65 Beetle (x2)
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Xevin  Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Corollary:
"It is easier to get into something than to get out of it."
- Donald Rumsfeld |
_________________ Keep on Busin'
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin...  |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
SGKent wrote: |
My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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Shonandb  Samba Member

Joined: January 12, 2019 Posts: 2096 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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I was the youngest of 6 kids growing up in the 70s and 80s. My father was a maintenance machinist, 2 brothers were machinists, 1 was an electrician, and 1 was a welder. My sister was an office worker so she didn't influence me much.
My dad always repaired everything himself and my brothers built backyard hotrods so being the wrench/whipping boy, I learned to do everything mechanical and electrical. I started fixing bicycles when I was 5 and then mini bikes, dirtbikes, and then cars.
In parallel, we were always fixing pumps, piping, walls, tearing down and building rooms, repairing roofs, rewiring rooms, and finishing interiors including painting.
In high school I chose to be Refrigeration Tech so I learned that and electrical up to 600v. Later I had an interest in electronics and studied embedded systems and can test circuits down to the PCB levels. I then found programming logical and picked up everything computer related and built my own PCs.
I enjoy taking things apart fixing them and putting them back together as well as building things. For me, I've never hesitated to take something apart and never had an issue putting it back together again. _________________ *******************************
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Abscate  Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 24066 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:04 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Corollary:
"It is easier to get into something than to get out of it."
- Donald Rumsfeld |
No, Xevin, thatโs not what that means โฆ. _________________ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐ ๐ ๐ |
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Cusser Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:47 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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Shonandb wrote: |
I've never hesitated to take something apart and never had an issue putting it back together again. |
For me, I like to have a "Plan B" in mind. Then I go in, take apart, and see if I can fix.
One perfect example is 3 decades ago on our 1984 Jeep Cherokee. On a Friday afternoon we drove a couple of co-workers to a work-related outing at the lake 30 miles away. As we arrived, we noticed that the AC wasn't cooling. After the event in the parking lot, I noticed its voltmeter reading low (not sure this had a charging/warning light or if such was operational), so low voltage was cause of AC compressor clutch not engaging. So we drove home on the battery, and needed headlights, barely made it home. The next morning, called Autozone and found brand new alternator was $55; took off the easy-to-remove alternator on top of the engine, took it apart and noticed a broken spring and missing brush. A $2.55 repair kit from Autozone and it was fixed. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Dusty1 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:46 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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Cusser wrote: |
Shonandb wrote: |
I've never hesitated to take something apart and never had an issue putting it back together again. |
For me, I like to have a "Plan B" in mind. Then I go in, take apart, and see if I can fix.
One perfect example is 3 decades ago on our 1984 Jeep Cherokee. On a Friday afternoon we drove a couple of co-workers to a work-related outing at the lake 30 miles away. As we arrived, we noticed that the AC wasn't cooling. After the event in the parking lot, I noticed its voltmeter reading low (not sure this had a charging/warning light or if such was operational), so low voltage was cause of AC compressor clutch not engaging. So we drove home on the battery, and needed headlights, barely made it home. The next morning, called Autozone and found brand new alternator was $55; took off the easy-to-remove alternator on top of the engine, took it apart and noticed a broken spring and missing brush. A $2.55 repair kit from Autozone and it was fixed. |
Some of my best charging stories involve my '79 Rabbit. USA made in Westmoreland, Pennsylvania, baby!
Except...
I was always trashing CVs, axles, struts, and wheel bearings. Never had such problems with my Bugs. Of course there were the perennial charging problems and the Rabbit's insatiable appetite for fuel pump relays. Must be they're made of rabbit food, eh?
Arriving in Vermont at daybreak on a trip from NYC it started its bucking and farting BS symptomatic of a fuel pressure problem. A quick roadside diagnostic indicated the fuel pressure problem was caused by a charging problem. Charging problem was caused by the car spitting out the long Allen bolt that held the alternator to the engine. Bolt was AWOL, gone without a trace. That particular fastener seems to be unique to Westmoreland Rabbits. I hit half a dozen junkyard and a couple dealers looking for another one, no luck. Gettin' ahead of myself, The lucky part is the alternator belt was hangin' off the alternator. I selected a couple roadside rocks and pounded them between the engine and the alternator. Made it all the way back to NYC with rocks holding tension on the alternator belt.
Another day, another charging problem. Another night, actually. I found I wasn't charging well enough to run the fuel injection and the headlights. The car stalled when I turned on the headlights. I drove all night without headlights.
See? Humanoids are immune to Darwinism.
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heimlich  VWNOS.com

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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 8:50 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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Everything is being made out of computer chips and boards these days. The next generation is using microscopes and tweezers to do repairs now. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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mukluk Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 9:30 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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heimlich wrote: |
Everything is being made out of computer chips and boards these days. The next generation is using microscopes and tweezers to do repairs now. |
I'm not seeing much repair happening. Looks more like the malfunctioning part gets chucked and a new one installed, that is, if a new one ever becomes available in the supply system. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 9:41 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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My son's electric over switched to broil by itself and could not be turned off, we had to pop the breaker to turn it off.
We diagnosed the problem to a failed relay on the mother board. The relay had a part number but after searching we couldn't find it. But we were able to replace the entire motherboard with controls for $75.
Two days later it was fixed.
A month before the electric dryer broke and he found the heating coil broke. There was a part number on it and it was fixed a few days later.
Some people have a natural ability and others don't. My son just needs a little advice and a youtube search and he can fix most things. My son-in-law, on the other hand can't fix anything so i told him to find a good handyman and have him on speed dial.
New York has a college saving plan that is tax exempt. You can use it for trade school along with college. The world needs electricians and plumbers. Don't underestimate the value of a trade.
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heimlich  VWNOS.com

Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 7509 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 9:55 am Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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mukluk wrote: |
heimlich wrote: |
Everything is being made out of computer chips and boards these days. The next generation is using microscopes and tweezers to do repairs now. |
I'm not seeing much repair happening. Looks more like the malfunctioning part gets chucked and a new one installed, that is, if a new one ever becomes available in the supply system. |
That's typical to just replace it. On the really expensive units that are not under warranty there are people who do repairs. You see it a lot with the Apple products such as laptops. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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drluvbug Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. |
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Thought Iโd chime in, and while I can take something apart, I can usually retrace my steps to put whatever said item is back together.
The biggest pain I find, is dropping screws.. especially tiny ones, or nuts. Thereโs a rule, I feel like itโs universal.. anything you drop will automatically roll to the least accessible spot in your work space and 99 percent of the time said escapee is completely essential to the job at hand.
Leaving you to get on your hands and knees, get a flashlight and attempt to look for it.. rather like Indiana Jones looking for the lost grail. _________________ โThey make ten thousand cars, they make them exactly the same way, and one or two of 'em turn out to be something special. Nobody knows why.โ |
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