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fxr Samba Member

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Posted: Mon May 26, 2025 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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That was back in March. They reinstated the collector car provision a few days ago.  _________________ Jim Crowther
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Abscate  Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2025 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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These things are sausage making in the extreme. The horse trading that goes on behind these changes is mind boggling. Little point watching until the vote. _________________ 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🍊 🍊 🍊 |
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calsurf Samba Member

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Posted: Mon May 26, 2025 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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Thanks for the updates. I've been following this bill. So far so good, but like anything here in our lovely state, things can change at any given moment. But, at this point it looks promising. We'll see if Newsome will or won't sign. It's been great having Jay Leno as a spokesman of sort. Keep it going Jay. |
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Xevin  Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2025 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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This thread has 42 responses and over 4000 views on a specialty VW website. Probably more effort than Sacramento law makers put into to this topic. Keep fighting a good fight California classic car enthusiasts. _________________ Keep on Busin'
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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Damn that Xevin...  |
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I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
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My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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termuehlen  Samba Member

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Posted: Mon May 26, 2025 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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Any vehicle built after 1995 can be checked with a scan tool and if there are no codes, it should be operating in conformance with smog laws. The only reason to have smog test stations in California right now is to test vehicles built between 1975 and 1995. At some point in time, the number of vehicles built in that time frame still on the road in California should not be worth all of the supporting infrastructure. It is however still a revenue generating program for a lot of operators and I would imagine that it will be hard to put this entire system to rest. _________________ 1988 Westfalia automatic Subaru OBD1
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2025 6:06 am Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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Looks like the bill sponsor will try to get the rider removed before full vote.
“ The Senate Appropriations Committee has added new language to the bill, which I look forward to reviewing. While I have concerns about the amendments, I remain optimistic that we can work to improve the language as the bill continues through the legislative process,” concluded Senator Shannon Grove.” _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator

Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 8434 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 8:27 am Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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California Legislature Pumps The Brakes On Jay Leno’s Classic Cars Bill
Steven Symes
Tue, June 3, 2025 at 7:30 AM MST
The California Legislature is pumping the brakes on Jay Leno’s classic cars bill which would help them be exempt from smog checks. In its original form, Bill SB 712, what some had dubbed “Leno’s Law,” would have meant cars 35 years and older wouldn’t be subjected to a smog test every two years to maintain their registration.
Raining on the parade are health groups who genuinely think there are mass amounts of Californians who would be driving around in old junkers to the extent it would result in far worse pollution. These are the same people with a ruler measuring the height of your front lawn.
Because those groups have powerful lobbyists in Sacramento, state lawmakers have bowed to their wishes, trimming back Leno’s Law. Before it left committee for the Senate floor, two amendments were added, restricting what classic cars would be exempt from smog checks, reports Santa Cruz Sentinel.
State Sen. Aisha Wahab, a Democrat from Fremont who voted no on the bill in committee was highly critical of the exemptions, even with the amendments. “Clean air is a necessity. Collecting cars is a hobby. I do not support rolling back progress on a public health issue we have spent decades trying to improve.”
The first amendment says a vehicle would have to be 35 years or older and have a historical license plate. That means owners must shell out an additional $25 beyond regular state registration fees. It also means that under state law the car can “only be driven in historical exhibitions, parades or historic vehicle club activities.”
On top of that, the second amendment says owners must carry collector car insurance for the vehicle, which sets restrictions on how many miles the vehicle can be driven in a year. The whole point is there’s paranoia that this law would see old clunkers be driven daily, filling California cities with more smog.
We’re just not surprised by this development. After all, whenever us gearheads try to have fun, some health or environmental Karens inevitably come along and try ruining it. They get our tracks closed, complain if exhausts aren’t whisper-quiet, and try to portray every car enthusiast as a criminal who doesn’t contribute to society.
Sadly, California used to be one of the best places for the car hobby. But as the state government has exerted increasing control over all aspects of life there, many enthusiasts have fled the state for greener pastures. We wonder if Leno’s Bill will be changed further and if it will even pass.
https://autos.yahoo.com/california-legislature-pumps-brakes-jay-143000871.html
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tjet Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:25 am Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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Sadly, California used to be one of the best places for the car hobby. But as the state government has exerted increasing control over all aspects of life there, many enthusiasts have fled the state for greener pastures. We wonder if Leno’s Bill will be changed further and if it will even pass. |
I agree with Kam.
If that doesn't want to make you leave, maybe this will (or that's what Sacramento is hoping for)...
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Erik G Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:48 am Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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tjet wrote: |
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Sadly, California used to be one of the best places for the car hobby. But as the state government has exerted increasing control over all aspects of life there, many enthusiasts have fled the state for greener pastures. We wonder if Leno’s Bill will be changed further and if it will even pass. |
I agree with Kam.
If that doesn't want to make you leave, maybe this will (or that's what Sacramento is hoping for)...
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This is a bullshit pic, current prices are about 4.59-4.99 for regular. That's already enough without needing bullshit pics |
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tjet Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:59 am Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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It's real. I took it last week visiting my dad. I was driving through Needles. |
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?Waldo? Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:43 am Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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Let me guess, it was the first and only pump off the freeway with the next one 50 miles farther through the Mojave Desert or some such. Places that CAN charge exorbitant prices, often DO. That's true all across the country. Even if it is actual recent pic, that's till a BS representation of typical fuel prices in CA. |
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fxr Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:57 am Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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We've through Needles at least a couple of times. That Chevron (spit) station has always been at least twice the price of gas a couple of miles further on over the border in AZ - currently $3.03 at the Shell station - and I bet the cheapest there is well under $3.00.
Here in Pleasant Hill you can often see over $1 difference between the Chevron price and the one over the road.
I never buy at Chevron on principle - I don't understand anyone who does! _________________ Jim Crowther
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tjet Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:02 am Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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Let me guess, it was the first and only pump off the freeway with the next one 50 miles farther through the Mojave Desert or some such. Places that CAN charge exorbitant prices, often DO. That's true all across the country. Even if it is actual recent pic, that's till a BS representation of typical fuel prices in CA. |
Lol - yes. I was trying to get to AZ on fumes driving my F250. I think I bought 3 whole gallons to make it to Kingman (my truck gets 11 MPG - hence the future OM606 diesel swap). |
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syncrodoka Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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It passed the CA state senate yesterday 32-3. On to the next step |
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zerotofifty Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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Erik G wrote: |
tjet wrote: |
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Sadly, California used to be one of the best places for the car hobby. But as the state government has exerted increasing control over all aspects of life there, many enthusiasts have fled the state for greener pastures. We wonder if Leno’s Bill will be changed further and if it will even pass. |
I agree with Kam.
If that doesn't want to make you leave, maybe this will (or that's what Sacramento is hoping for)...
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This is a bullshit pic, current prices are about 4.59-4.99 for regular. That's already enough without needing bullshit pics |
Your statement is BULLSHIT. Yes the gas prices in California are very high, and this price I have seen too. Also in the coming months a new global warming carbon tax will be added to California refineries (just as Greta demands be imposed on us), and that is expected to raise the price near 65 cents more per gallon. Plus we have some California gasoline refineries scheduled to close for good in the near future and since we can only use specialized gasoline in this state, the price will increase even more as supply is further curtailed. meanwhile Electric rates are increasing, as homes and cars are forced to electrify, with little to zero increase in affordable electric generation.
This is all planned to get the poor and middle class out of cars and on to public transit, urine soaked, homeless drug addict infested, public transit. _________________ Sorry About That Chief.
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zerotofifty Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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?Waldo? wrote: |
Let me guess, it was the first and only pump off the freeway with the next one 50 miles farther through the Mojave Desert or some such. Places that CAN charge exorbitant prices, often DO. That's true all across the country. Even if it is actual recent pic, that's till a BS representation of typical fuel prices in CA. |
But that does represent the high prices we are stuck with in California. I end up paying 5 bucks for 91 octane at the cheapo no name station near me, and not far are some that have 6 plus dollars per gallon prices California will soon tack on an additional 65 cents for global warming carbon fees to each gallon. And California is about to loose two refineries. It will get much worse soon. We are at or will soon be at near twice the national average price. And it aint like we are an isolated island like Hawaii that has to have all their gasoline imported over long distances either. _________________ Sorry About That Chief.
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zerotofifty Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
It passed the CA state senate yesterday 32-3. On to the next step |
What passed???? _________________ Sorry About That Chief.
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tjet Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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Guys please... Lets not get crazy. My photo shows how high the gas prices can get in CA, but it does not represent the average high price.
What I don't like is how the state of California wants to "punish" you with exuberant taxes for not buying an EV. Similar to how they tax cigarettes. |
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