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Honuak
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 Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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The Aloha is strong here on Samba.
People are always asking me about the van .After I tell them in the strongest possible language to buy a cab over instead I tell them about Samba. Been said many times but this community is what makes having one of these relics workable. Everyone here (some more than others) has helped me more times than I can count.
In the case of jealous windows (look up the derivation-interesting) my process is simple:
Find part
Order part
Install part
Wait for wife to notice and be vague about cost/redirect to how cool they are.
But even with this job I needed the Samba oracle/s
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ALIKA T3
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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Thanks everyone! 
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| Alika, What did you do with the little channels with the rubber seals top and bottom of jalousie frames? Leave 'em on or cut 'em off? |
Are yo talki,ng about the aluminum parts that stick out horizontally? If yes, that's the parts I got the machinist to erase completely to have a clean flat surface.
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:01 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| I totally missed that the vanagon window frame was mated to the jalousie frame. Using Lexan in place of stock glass, you could make any size you needed to work in the sliding door window. Nice work. |
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ALIKA T3
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| MarkWard wrote: |
| I totally missed that the vanagon window frame was mated to the jalousie frame. Using Lexan in place of stock glass, you could make any size you needed to work in the sliding door window. Nice work. |
I used Makrolon here, bc that's what was available, I don't like the glass, looks sketchy.... for the sliding door window, I'll do the same, more work involved to shorten it though  (1985 and up)
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| ALIKA T3 wrote: |
| MarkWard wrote: |
| I totally missed that the vanagon window frame was mated to the jalousie frame. Using Lexan in place of stock glass, you could make any size you needed to work in the sliding door window. Nice work. |
I used Makrolon here, bc that's what was available, I don't like the glass, looks sketchy.... for the sliding door window, I'll do the same, more work involved to shorten it though (1985 and up) |
What would you say was the time involved? I’d say not being setup, you have 40 hours in that one window? I mention that, because when you figure the cost of a used Jalousie window frame from a Bay and the hours involved, the ones listed for sale ready to fit whether they are $700 or $1500 while not in my budget is a pretty good deal. No affiliation. Say you could adapt one like you did for 20 hours at $80 an hour it would be $1600 not counting materials. Well executed. |
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shagginwagon83
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| MarkWard wrote: |
What would you say was the time involved? I’d say not being setup, you have 40 hours in that one window? I mention that, because when you figure the cost of a used Jalousie window frame from a Bay and the hours involved, the ones listed for sale ready to fit whether they are $700 or $1500 while not in my budget is a pretty good deal. No affiliation. Say you could adapt one like you did for 20 hours at $80 an hour it would be $1600 not counting materials. Well executed. |
I too question this. Hours estimation?
Everyone who does this upgrade says they love it. I am sold on switching, but on the fence of DIY or just buying the $800 kit. Plus the $800 kit is black 
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dobryan 
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Honuak
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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FWIW I ordered two from Heritage and they are already being shipped my way.
I will report back when I get them installed.
EDIT
May not happen, shipping from UK will be painful, waiting to find out. And I heard back from EZ...$800.00 for shipping.
So may end up making them myself afterall.
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| dobryan wrote: |
| It takes me about 20 hours to do one jalousie if I am completely disassembling it and replacing all the seals and sanding it to a shine. If I only wanted to mod it to fit the Vanagon opening I could do that in less than 4 hours. |
Yes, but you posted you’ve done 10 of these. My second one went quicker than my first. A beginner will spend some time working on a technique. It’s like replacing the canvas. I’ve seen posts where someone can do one in 4 hours. These are the jobs you take on yourself, because you enjoy a task and saving money since our time has no value.
My point is, The asking price for these retail assemblies if they are doing the complete job well and they fit is reasonable considering the time and materials required. |
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ALIKA T3
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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Yes, in mine I have about 40 hours in it, good guess Mark!
It was a POS to begin with though, and I was trying to figure out things to fit the Vanagon frame. In a regular fashion, it would be much faster.
The next one will be much faster I'm sure.
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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@Alika,
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| Yes, in mine I have about 40 hours in it, good guess Mark! |
I recognize labor $$ of love when I see it.  |
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dobryan
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Honuak
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| pbrown wrote: |
| Honuak wrote: |
"85-92 Fits RHD only Non Sliding Door"
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I saw that too and was confused. I know that the left and right side windows are different size on the later years. I would have assumed that this is the same for later RHD and LHD vans. Why wouldn't this window fit the later non-slider side regardless of LHD vs. RHD? |
It does, their wording is whack. It's the same posted in the classifieds here I think.
The left side LHD hasn't changed since 1980. |
Recieved the windows awhile ago. No charge for shipping from Heritage. Nicely made units. But they are to long to fit my slider window opening! And I took the window out (ruined the seal) already. The openings are indeed different, by one inch.
Looks like they could be made to fit with some trimming. |
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ALIKA T3
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2022 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| Honuak wrote: |
| ALIKA T3 wrote: |
| pbrown wrote: |
| Honuak wrote: |
"85-92 Fits RHD only Non Sliding Door"
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I saw that too and was confused. I know that the left and right side windows are different size on the later years. I would have assumed that this is the same for later RHD and LHD vans. Why wouldn't this window fit the later non-slider side regardless of LHD vs. RHD? |
It does, their wording is whack. It's the same posted in the classifieds here I think.
The left side LHD hasn't changed since 1980. |
Recieved the windows awhile ago. No charge for shipping from Heritage. Nicely made units. But they are to long to fit my slider window opening! And I took the window out (ruined the seal) already. The openings are indeed different, by one inch.
Looks like they could be made to fit with some trimming. |
The jalousie windows you got are for direct drop in into the chassis opening, not into the siding window frame .
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Honuak
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2022 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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The instructions are not at all clear but I think the screws need to line up perfectly into this groove. Before i go any further I am hoping to clarify.
Merry Christmas! |
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dobryan
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Borg
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| Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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Just as a data point for future readers:
My tintop with a build date of 10/85 (does that make her an '86?) and all the windows are out so easy to measure. The slider door window frame is 41 1/2" wide the driver-side window is about 1 1/8" wider.
I was thinking about doing a conversion but there is a sweet mirrored tint on all the rears now that I kind like.
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ALIKA T3
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| Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| Borg wrote: |
Just as a data point for future readers:
My tintop with a build date of 10/85 (does that make her an '86?) and all the windows are out so easy to measure. The slider door window frame is 41 1/2" wide the driver-side window is about 1 1/8" wider.
I was thinking about doing a conversion but there is a sweet mirrored tint on all the rears now that I kind like. |
Windows changed for MY 85, so anything built after 08/84 is MY 1985 and has a smaller sliding door window. (F 24-F-000 001 and ON)
1073mm vs 1043mm according to ETKA. 30mm difference. There's no inches in there.
https://www.catcar.info/audivw/?lang=en&l=c3Rz...EwOTEwMDc4
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| Honuak wrote: |
The instructions are not at all clear but I think the screws need to line up perfectly into this groove. Before i go any further I am hoping to clarify.
Merry Christmas! |
I had to mill that extrusion off to use these in our vanagon. I agree they are for the bay bus or a type 2. I’d check with the seller before going further. But in answer to your question, tiny sheetmetal screws secure into the extrusion to retain it to the chassis. I’d be surprised if that extrusion lines up with the vanagon window body seam.
Since most the world is closed today, go back to the beginning of this thread and get a better idea of how these bus windows are adapted to the vanagon.
For those of us with fractional measuring tapes, 1 inch = 25.4 mm. 😉 |
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ALIKA T3
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2022 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| MarkWard wrote: |
| Honuak wrote: |
The instructions are not at all clear but I think the screws need to line up perfectly into this groove. Before i go any further I am hoping to clarify.
Merry Christmas! |
I had to mill that extrusion off to use these in our vanagon. I agree they are for the bay bus or a type 2. I’d check with the seller before going further. But in answer to your question, tiny sheetmetal screws secure into the extrusion to retain it to the chassis. I’d be surprised if that extrusion lines up with the vanagon window body seam.
Since most the world is closed today, go back to the beginning of this thread and get a better idea of how these bus windows are adapted to the vanagon.
For those of us with fractional measuring tapes, 1 inch = 25.4 mm. 😉 |
The Vanagon is a Type 2  You meant T2.
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