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Juanito84
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 Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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| vamram wrote: |
Dang, that thing took a beating. Looks like it was used for punting practice! 
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It was bent like that when I got it. The paint was fine though until today.
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Juanito84
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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| ryohey wrote: |
| don't powdercoat it, you will ruin the fibers in it. I tried that route. |
How did they get ruined? Did they get coated? Or did the heat hurt them? And where did you have it powdercoated?
I already have a guy lined up to powdercoat it. Clark Callis at awesomepowdercoat.com says he can do it. He seems to mainly or exclusively deal with air-cooled Volkswagen parts. He say he's done oil bath air cleaners before. I figured he know what he's doing.
But still. What will it hurt? Can I have him do it and just tell him to mask the fibers or something? Or what?
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Juanito84
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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It looks like I answered my own question.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482089&highlight=oil+bath+fiber
But according to that the problem occurs when the oil bath fibers where washed out with a light oil such as kerosene or diesel, which can reach their flash point at powdercoating temps. I washed mine out with a degreaser and boiling water. I can do it again a few more times to make sure there's not enough oil to create a problem.
Any other observations? Now I'm 50/50 on whether to powdercoat the thing or not. Would someone convince me one way or the other please.
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Juanito84
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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Mind you all the rest of my tins are powder coated.
It can't be that bad for them if powder coated air cleaners are sold as "restored".
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1205461
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I see that there is a problem and "fix" he does.
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The inside bottom of the filter element (the portion that sits in oil) cannot be powder coated. It's simply masked off during the process to protect from the heat. This is the only way to ensure no damage is caused. |
So I'll just paint it. Any suggestions on what kind of paint to use?
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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Why not search for a better, used oil bath? I see them at swap meets for $10-20 dollars.
I'd paint it vs. powder coat?
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Juanito84
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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| wcfvw69 wrote: |
Why not search for a better, used oil bath? I see them at swap meets for $10-20 dollars.
I'd paint it vs. powder coat? |
I've never been to a swap meet. Where would I find out about them?
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wcfvw69
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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| Juanito84 wrote: |
| wcfvw69 wrote: |
Why not search for a better, used oil bath? I see them at swap meets for $10-20 dollars.
I'd paint it vs. powder coat? |
I've never been to a swap meet. Where would I find out about them? |
I'll expand on what I meant about swap meet. If you go to a classic VW car show, they usually have a swap meet as well. There's usually 2 or 3 a year here in Phoenix. The parts sell for 1/3 of the prices here on The Samba.
You can search the classifieds here as well.
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Juanito84
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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| wcfvw69 wrote: |
I'll expand on what I meant about swap meet. If you go to a classic VW car show, they usually have a swap meet as well. There's usually 2 or 3 a year here in Phoenix. The parts sell for 1/3 of the prices here on The Samba.
You can search the classifieds here as well. |
Ok. I've never been to Phoenix. But a VW car show sounds fun. Yes, I saw one for $70 in good shape and another one slightly dented for $45 here in the classifieds.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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| Juanito84 wrote: |
| wcfvw69 wrote: |
I'll expand on what I meant about swap meet. If you go to a classic VW car show, they usually have a swap meet as well. There's usually 2 or 3 a year here in Phoenix. The parts sell for 1/3 of the prices here on The Samba.
You can search the classifieds here as well. |
Ok. I've never been to Phoenix. But a VW car show sounds fun. Yes, I saw one for $70 in good shape and another one slightly dented for $45 here in the classifieds. |
They have a couple of classic VW car shows in Denver. One is Volkswagen on the Green that I went to one time. Good turnout and large swap meet.
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vamram 
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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Juanito - i cleaned mine with purple power, stripped it, primered and painted it gloss black.
I don't remember if I used rustoleum engine enamel or just glossy rustoluem.
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Juanito84
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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It seems that heat without the oil is still bad for the fibers.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092666901000350X
That does it! I'm painting the darn thing! I still might have the body with the snorkel and the clips and flaps power coated though.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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All my tins are powdercoated gloss black. I recently powder coated the BOTTOM half of an oil bath, then used the Rustoleum "Painter's touch 2x" gloss black to paint the top half of the oil bath. It is a VERY close match. There is a pic in my gallery...
Is is true though about powder coating the top half filter element, the coir inside burns up, turns to dust....
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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Hello,
Im new here. From the uk with a 71 1300 beetle. I want to put an oil bath back on but the one i have appears to be missing a tube from the top, which i want to know where, when i replace it, it goes to. like wise with the other one. I guess what i need is a picture of where all the relevant tubes go.
Ive got the one with the pre heat pipe.
Glad to be here peeps. hope i don't sound to dumb and somebody can help.
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vamram
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:34 am Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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Welcome - are you describing a filter like the one in the picture I posted above? If so, that's a '72-only (USA spec at least) oil bath. I know Rock Auto sells the thermostatic valve that goes in the top half and may account for your missing "tubes."
You can probably find a correct '71 oil bath filter in the classifieds. It had a wax pellet thermostatic valve along the FRONT-facing side of the snout.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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| vamram wrote: |
Welcome - are you describing a filter like the one in the picture I posted above? If so, that's a '72-only (USA spec at least) oil bath. I know Rock Auto sells the thermostatic valve that goes in the top half and may account for your missing "tubes."
You can probably find a correct '71 oil bath filter in the classifieds. It had a wax pellet thermostatic valve along the FRONT-facing side of the snout. |
Hi vamram...looking into these pieces for my wife's 72 now...I tried searching on Rockauto for that "thermostatic valve" and turned up a blank. Would you happen to have a link handy? Thanks!
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AirCooledArtifacts
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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You CAN actually powder coat them. You can ask them to do it a lower temp. We've done many of them this way. Spray paint chips, etc. It's the only way to go.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Clean Oil Bath Filter |
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| hey, I have a 68' and i would like to put an oil bath air filter back onto it, but i cant find a decent filter. right now i have a 72' USA filter with pre-heat on it, any sugjestions on where to find one? |
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