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Adriel Rowley Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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This post reminded me forgot to update my progress. Despite being on a liquid diet Saturday, did get the intake filter installed and the heat riser pipe massaged. The filter is slightly snug fit, will keep an eye on the temperature with my IR thermometer during the break-in.
Went to install the pushrods and rockers, as getting started, hit me to check they are clear, all plugged to dome degree, some totally, glad caught that. Soaking in Kroil to resolve the carbon, didn't feel strong enough to flip over yesterday and today found out need to keep my walking to a minimum.
By the way, so glad changed GI doctors, the center they use is fantastic, seemed everyone employed there adores dogs, some coming to drop by and give attention (does have a visit command). Better, first time meeting the GI doctor and really like him. Hopefully in a couple weeks can spend more time with Ruby!
Here are the two different pushrods, aligned to show the difference in length, I have two of the kind on the left and six of the other, installed the last rebuilt in the 1970s and about 250,000 (using 1964 heads with 1/2 bolts on the rockers). What puzzles me is both have the ribbing and per Volkswagen, means the longer length that started in 1965.
Do I go with or does someone have a couple of the one on the right? _________________ Please consider I am Autistic, so I process information differently and still working on social skills. Thanks.
Dad's 1964 Beetle purchased September 1968.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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I have these but if you can just replaced the two you need you might be better off.
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Adriel Rowley wrote: |
Here are the two different pushrods, aligned to show the difference in length, I have two of the kind on the left and six of the other, installed the last rebuilt in the 1970s and about 250,000 (using 1964 heads with 1/2 bolts on the rockers). What puzzles me is both have the ribbing and per Volkswagen, means the longer length that started in 1965.
Do I go with or does someone have a couple of the one on the right? |
I've got 4 of the longer style (right one in your picture) pushrods left over from when I rebuilt the '65 40hp that's in my VW. They are straight and clear inside but need the usual cleaning associated with old parts that have been sitting for years. They're all yours if you want them. PM me if you're interested. I've been checking in on this thread from time to time and hope to see your car back on the road again. |
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Adriel Rowley Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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supercub wrote: |
Adriel Rowley wrote: |
Here are the two different pushrods, aligned to show the difference in length, I have two of the kind on the left and six of the other, installed the last rebuilt in the 1970s and about 250,000 (using 1964 heads with 1/2 bolts on the rockers). What puzzles me is both have the ribbing and per Volkswagen, means the longer length that started in 1965.
Do I go with or does someone have a couple of the one on the right? |
I've got 4 of the longer style (right one in your picture) pushrods left over from when I rebuilt the '65 40hp that's in my VW. They are straight and clear inside but need the usual cleaning associated with old parts that have been sitting for years. They're all yours if you want them. PM me if you're interested. |
Fantastic! Exactly, 1965 would be the longer length. PM sent. Even if plugged, would still accept them, not hard to un-plug, just takes soaking them in Kroil.
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I've been checking in on this thread from time to time and hope to see your car back on the road again. |
Really appreciate you doing so and letting me know. Ruby will be back on the road, just taking longer than anyone would like, partly as have missed some items or other things crop up, was both today. _________________ Please consider I am Autistic, so I process information differently and still working on social skills. Thanks.
Dad's 1964 Beetle purchased September 1968.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
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Adriel Rowley Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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I have terrible news. On of the helper pups climbed under Ruby, got greasy all over, and had the unfortunate experience of having a bath.
Feel like got a little done today. First up, find the nipples.
Cleaned more on the driver side than planned, someone very rarely cuddles, so figured he needed it. Nope, not spoiled, just taken care of. By the way, one of my church sisters gave me a selection of fancy cocoa and a thermos Sunday, man it really helps prevent overstimulation.
Cleaning the driver side, this came off somewhere, anyone know where it is from and goes?
While cleaning, found a couple things. Firstly, the torsion arm seals have shrunk, significant gaps, so the beam will have to come out and get new seals installed. Secondly, the sway bar rubber mountings are still soft, though some look deformed, replace those at some point. Thirdly, found the steering box is leaking, in the late afternoon added a little more oil (have ATF to use up), careful not to fill to the top, now when steering feels better and quieter. At some point will have to rebuild it, do it when rebuild.
Speaking of feeling better, before greasing the kingpins, grabbing the drum and turning took a significant amount of effort and I am no weakling. It took all my strength to get grease in, my understanding because what grease was left has dried up. With grease added, now the only restriction is the steering dampener. At the steering wheel, feels so much better. My Dad was very meticulous about maintenance so really surprises me he missed greasing the front suspension. Also makes me wonder what the grease is like in what looks to be original tie rod ends, boots are still good.
When cleaning out the spare tire well, found the fuel tank vent hose so crispy it broke off in my hand.
So, I replaced it, now know why I had a long piece of this hose. Would not surprise me if one reason the cabin smelled of fuel on warm days, know Dad tried to have that sorted as one of the few recipes I have. Sure be nice if that simple, I rather not have it.
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Adriel Rowley wrote: |
heimlich wrote: |
I have these but if you can just replaced the two you need you might be better off.
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Are these the longer length? |
I think they are. These are the 1300 to 1600 versions. I can measure for you if you would like. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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I'm surprised you got an oil filter on there!
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Adriel Rowley Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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heimlich wrote: |
Adriel Rowley wrote: |
heimlich wrote: |
I have these but if you can just replaced the two you need you might be better off.
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Are these the longer length? |
I think they are. These are the 1300 to 1600 versions. I can measure for you if you would like. |
Thank you for your reply. Though, as can see from above, someone is giving me four correct pushrod tubes. If had spending money, pick this up, eventually like to build another engine.  _________________ Please consider I am Autistic, so I process information differently and still working on social skills. Thanks.
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
1971 Sunroof Squareback with Fuel Injection
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Adriel Rowley Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Today was a lot of little things and being my memory is not the best and it is really late, leave it there.
One example of my mental state is this morning almost poured oil into the engine without the screen and plate installed.
Did find three used German spark plugs plus what looks to be never used German spark plug. Cleaned and filed the three, installed all four. See no point to foul new plugs.
Seems to me the doghouse fan should is aft of the early style, as found it real easy to put in the forward spark plugs, am I imagining this? If not, there is defiantly another plus to the conversion.
Next up, install the screen and drain plate. Turns out unlike a 1600cc, the screen only fits one way and still snug, think still slightly bent (thanks Brother's Machine). Good thing had used a non-drying sealant, cut mount each layer using the sealant's tackiness to hold it up, except the plate, that was fun getting the nuts on, should have lifted Ruby's arse end up (didn't cross my mind until later, Dad never did).
What took the most time, truly countless hours, was the throttle cable, especially as can only be done right handed while various things are digging into the most tender parts of your hand, and I being a redhead have a high pain tolerance, can't imagine what it be for a non-redhead. Go look it up if don't believe me, we also take more anesthesia. Made sure to put a little grease in the tube, don't want to go without lubrication.
Also washed down the front suspension best I could, the smaller helper dog two days in a row when climbing under the front end got greasy and hopefully keeps from happening over and over, so last thing of the day was giving him a bath, turns out my goat's milk bar works better than the dog shampoo, in part because can scrub really well.
Let thing was to put in a quart of oil and see if any leaks in the morning, not expecting any though rather not find out after filled. Didn't put oil in until a better possibility of not having to pull the engine. _________________ Please consider I am Autistic, so I process information differently and still working on social skills. Thanks.
Dad's 1964 Beetle purchased September 1968.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
1971 Sunroof Squareback with Fuel Injection
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Adriel Rowley Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2024 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Another obligation took today, however, got to get one thing done, so got several done.
Bent a wrench. Lesson learned, don't forget to take off your rubber gloves when using heat, if not, the burn be far worse, and burning human flesh doesn't smell all that great. Put on some cold water from the hose bib and kept working.
Gasket made and carburetor installed. Now see when forgot the throttle cable tube, the only way in meant it is backwards and certainly not going to pull the engine to correct, hopefully don't regret it later. Needs to last until have the funds for piston and cylinders.
Got the connector pipes installed into the kidneys (right required grease and some really, really, hard whacks with a dead blow hammer) and put in a quart an a half of oil, between the marks, so let sit overnight to be sure all drained down.
Got obligations tomorrow, not sure if get anything done, hopefully get the required one task a day (except Sunday) done. _________________ Please consider I am Autistic, so I process information differently and still working on social skills. Thanks.
Dad's 1964 Beetle purchased September 1968.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
1971 Sunroof Squareback with Fuel Injection
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Adriel Rowley Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2024 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Made some time after supper, client not getting back to me so no working on the project tomorrow, so got little tasks again, including right bank pushrods and rockers installed, valves adjusted, to check the distributor drive position, when assembling the engine put in as if building a Type 3 engine.
Drive gear not coming out, set the tool down, got something else knocked out, and of course can't find it. So called it a night. Maybe find it in the morning, if not, time to sh*t shift again, miss having a workbench and shelves, got old long ago living out of moving boxes.
Something is odd with the fuel pump, doesn't use a threaded inlet and the outlet steel line is formed in a bend, so the steel fuel line doesn't sit correctly. With both, don't have enough fuel line, so try the prior pump, can't remember what is wrong. Some point get some brass tubing and replace the outlet. _________________ Please consider I am Autistic, so I process information differently and still working on social skills. Thanks.
Dad's 1964 Beetle purchased September 1968.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
1971 Sunroof Squareback with Fuel Injection
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Distributor drive won't come out unless you remove fuel pump and it's base. Don't drop the drive shims when you move it _________________ Pres. Rivercity VW Club www.rcvwclub.org
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Adriel Rowley Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Teeroy wrote: |
Distributor drive won't come out unless you remove fuel pump and it's base. Don't drop the drive shims when you move it |
I didn't make it out this morning, when packing up had a feeling to check my email, found this help, good timing.
Took several hours to remove the gear and a minute or two to install the gear in the correct orientation. Less time then last time, IIRC that was over a couple days.
As I recall, only takes one shim, that is what is in there. Shaft meshes and doesn't pop out, leave it alone.
Then got on a roll, about six to seven hours spent with Ruby getting little things done, like wiring on the left side of the engine bay. New replacement hard vacuum line went missing and for some reason, have several feet of SAE rubber hose, so use it for now, looping it to hopefully still have protection.
Looking in the manual, turns out somehow ended up with an early fuel pump, need the one with a threaded hard line, so used the pump I rebuilt ages ago. With the doghouse fan shroud, the hard line is snuggly against it, so used a thick piece of hose (same size for the oil breather) on the metal line to protect, add it to items to inspect. I did pump the pump with my hand, it is pumping, so hopefully by some miracle provides full pressure. Thought did notice a larger gap than recall from before, meaning, more preload.
Is the fuel pump rod hardened? Thought went across my mind could tack a bead on the end and add back what was worn off and increase pressure. _________________ Please consider I am Autistic, so I process information differently and still working on social skills. Thanks.
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Interesting no one noticed Volkswagen seems to have made the steel fuel line too long, see how at the top of Ruby's is significantly higher from the inlet than this 1964 with 22 miles?
For some reason, the driver side rockers, especially the adjusters (one frozen so bad it broke, another seized overnight, and a spare was seized and knew better that they never will be free), after many hours and help, installed and valves adjusted.
Only now realize don't have a 6 volt static timing lamp, so pulled the turn signal bulb and temporarily tacked on some leads, to be replaced by a socket (an absolute chore getting the solder to stick even using flux). Also an opportunity to improve soldering, as can see, does need improvement.
Man the solder fumes taste nasty, no mater where I moved still ended up inhaling it, worse when used flux. Hopefully some milk takes it away, does spicy food and solvent smell. _________________ Please consider I am Autistic, so I process information differently and still working on social skills. Thanks.
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Looks like Everett figured it out. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Adriel Rowley wrote: |
Interesting no one noticed Volkswagen seems to have made the steel fuel line too long, see how at the top of Ruby's is significantly higher from the inlet than this 1964 with 22 miles?
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Higher than the carb inlet at the top of your photo?
If you match the rubber fuel line length I believe it will look the same. _________________ How to Post Photos
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Adriel Rowley Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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EverettB wrote: |
Adriel Rowley wrote: |
Interesting no one noticed Volkswagen seems to have made the steel fuel line too long, see how at the top of Ruby's is significantly higher from the inlet than this 1964 with 22 miles?
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Higher than the carb inlet at the top of your photo? |
Look on Black Beaty's line, the end of the steel fuel line lines up with the carburetor inlet.
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If you match the rubber fuel line length I believe it will look the same. |
Will then not reach the fuel inlet. Doing that to the outlet of the fuel pump makes it worse.
I have stared at this for long amounts of time multiple times, and just not seeing anything but Volkswagen made it too long. _________________ Please consider I am Autistic, so I process information differently and still working on social skills. Thanks.
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
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