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| vwuberalles wrote: |
| Looks like your doesn't have as tight of a bend as in the reference photo. The curved section near the coil. bend it a little more and it should be a straight shot to the carb. |
Kind of thinking that too. Thing is, without heat, there is no way to bend the steel line by hand, plus, no evidence of it being bent. Thus, why I am puzzled, would expect Volkswagen not to send out a vehicle with an obviously defective part.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Are you sure it's steel? The metal lines from vacuum can to carburetor I have bend easily. They are NOS. They look the same that are in the picture you showed of original VW. The color of the two lines are the same. I would bet they are the same material and both bend (easily). There's one way to find out.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Ok, maybe it's bent like someone suggested?
It fit perfectly on my old '64 Bus:
It seems weird to me it would get bent as they are pretty solid.
I never tried to bend one though.
If it bugs you, you can not use it.
I don't use it on my '63 as it's more failure points with today's fuel line rotting gas.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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| heimlich wrote: |
| Are you sure it's steel? The metal lines from vacuum can to carburetor I have bend easily. They are NOS. They look the same that are in the picture you showed of original VW. The color of the two lines are the same. I would bet they are the same material and both bend (easily). There's one way to find out. |
Yes, see?
Even the coper colored fuel line is steel.
Do you have an original line from the fuel pump to carburetor? As told Chewy this morning, suppositions are not truths, so supposing the vacuum line is the same as the fuel line to carburetor, so far seems not to be a shared truth.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Make your own fuel line. The only difference will be yours won't have those special flanges on the ends.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Ok, maybe it's bent like someone suggested?
It fit perfectly on my old '64 Bus:
It seems weird to me it would get bent as they are pretty solid.
I never tried to bend one though. |
Seems everyone is not understanding me. The fuel line shows no signs of being being bent after manufacture and simply sharing puzzlement Volkswagen allowed this line to pass inspection.
You try and bend it without heat, you will find it not possible. 
By the way, happen to know if yours has an over all length of 28cm? If so, then get out the torch and massage it.
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If it bugs you, you can not use it.
I don't use it on my '63 as it's more failure points with today's fuel line rotting gas. |
No, just found it odd.
The about four year old fuel line is showing age, bought some more for backup before knowing lasts a few years.
Are you using imperial sized hose and if so, how does it fit?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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See how out of it I am? I was looking at the engine trying to remember what needed doing before start up, could not think of it until later in the day: buy spark plug Wires.  
I had a set, but has totally vanished, I have been through all the boxes and looked on the shelves, totally gone. Y'all would be surprised to know I am an INTJ, crave organized, but in my view, not organized. Maybe because have had two severe concussions.
Today more little things, starting with getting the generator wiring repaired, installed, ditto for starter. Tested the starter, by golly, it works and spinning in the engine what I expect from a factory 12 volt Volkswagen.
More little things, now absolutely knackered, and been falling asleep since 18.00.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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| heimlich wrote: |
| Make your own fuel line. The only difference will be yours won't have those special flanges on the ends. |
I don't think worth my time, over working myself as it is, though temporarily stuck. |
It's real easy. Buy some brake line. Cut it to length. Bend it by hand. Done. Buy the noncorrosive brake line.
I have a roll of the stuff. I can cut you a section.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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| Make your own fuel line. The only difference will be yours won't have those special flanges on the ends. |
I don't think worth my time, over working myself as it is, though temporarily stuck. |
It's real easy. Buy some brake line. Cut it to length. Bend it by hand. Done. Buy the noncorrosive brake line.
I have a roll of the stuff. I can cut you a section. |
Thank you for your generosity. Would it also work for vacuum line?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Barely could sleep due to back pain, but, thankfully got a few winks in. Usual lunch with the duck this afternoon, not feeling like going out and putting some of the electrical back together, so put in a CIP1 order and a Wolfsburg West order, know the latter will be here early next week, always surprises me how quickly it arrives.
High time for breakfast, six grain cereal, too bad Roman Meal quit making rye cereal, man that was so tasty! Now there is no rye cereal made by anyone. 
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Firstly, a question. Anyone know what size the hardware that holds the wires to the points?
The borrowed distributor has non Bosch points and took about an hour to set, figure been easier with the Bosch, though at least got it set and do for now.
Barely getting anything done:
Monday got the new generator strap installed (B and T from Germany).
Tuesday set the dwell to 0,4mm and static timed the engine. Tested the fuel tank, found one leak, pulled the tank (thankfully most of the gasket stayed on the body), and found a new leak, two in total. Hopefully Saturday can find my very large vintage soldering iron that belonged to my maternal Grandfather in the storage unit.
This morning got the heater box to kidney clamps installed (nice German units for what seems to be a good price for the quality) and the German plug wires installed. Also got the ignition wires installed, glad chose Wolfsburg West. In fact, I like these more than the Bosch, stiff wires and tight rubbers. Had to quit before the office opened, so much fumes have to have the door open, hoping tomorrow morning have cleared out.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Firstly, a question. Anyone know what size the hardware that holds the wires to the points?
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Are you talking about the flat head screw?
Sometimes it's easier to set the points outside of the car that way you can insert the feeler gauge in there more easily. If the distributor is installed, just turn the crank until the lobe presses out on the points. Put the feeler gauge in between the points and tighten down the screw. Some sets of points close down when you tighten the screw. So, after you tighten the screw you have to check the gap again to confirm the settings.
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| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
Firstly, a question. Anyone know what size the hardware that holds the wires to the points?
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Are you talking about the flat head screw? |
The "stud" as the manual calls it and then has a nut.
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| Sometimes it's easier to set the points outside of the car that way you can insert the feeler gauge in there more easily. If the distributor is installed, just turn the crank until the lobe presses out on the points. Put the feeler gauge in between the points and tighten down the screw. Some sets of points close down when you tighten the screw. So, after you tighten the screw you have to check the gap again to confirm the settings. |
These points don't allow for either.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
Firstly, a question. Anyone know what size the hardware that holds the wires to the points?
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Are you talking about the flat head screw? |
The "stud" as the manual calls it and then has a nut.
| heimlich wrote: |
| Sometimes it's easier to set the points outside of the car that way you can insert the feeler gauge in there more easily. If the distributor is installed, just turn the crank until the lobe presses out on the points. Put the feeler gauge in between the points and tighten down the screw. Some sets of points close down when you tighten the screw. So, after you tighten the screw you have to check the gap again to confirm the settings. |
These points don't allow for either. |
Are you referring to the screw that holds the points down or the one that holds the condenser to the points?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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Made it out for a couple hours, now can't think of anything more doing other then sealing the fuel tank. Speaking of which, having it out turned out to be fortunate, almost every seeming bad thing has something positive (except loosing a pet or a human), as then really simple to swap the brake fluid reservoir.
Also bled the front brakes and adjusted all four corners, set to where a slight depression starts engagement and with the brakes off, slight drag. These dead blow hammers sure are handy for these tasks working alone.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
| heimlich wrote: |
| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
Firstly, a question. Anyone know what size the hardware that holds the wires to the points?
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Are you talking about the flat head screw? |
The "stud" as the manual calls it and then has a nut.
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| Sometimes it's easier to set the points outside of the car that way you can insert the feeler gauge in there more easily. If the distributor is installed, just turn the crank until the lobe presses out on the points. Put the feeler gauge in between the points and tighten down the screw. Some sets of points close down when you tighten the screw. So, after you tighten the screw you have to check the gap again to confirm the settings. |
These points don't allow for either. |
Are you referring to the screw that holds the points down or the one that holds the condenser to the points? |
The latter. Also holds the wire from the coil.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Dad's 1964 Ruby Red Beetle |
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The latter. Also holds the wire from the coil. |
To remove the whole thing (points and condenser) what you do is remove the screw that allows adjusting the points. You also remove the screw that holds the clamp for the condenser. Then you can pull everything out.
For adjusting the points, there is a screw that holds the points down. This is the same screw that you will see on any other set of points except for the cast iron units (2 piece points). If you were unable to get them to move you probably just need to unscrew it a bit more.
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The latter. Also holds the wire from the coil. |
To remove the whole thing (points and condenser) what you do is remove the screw that allows adjusting the points. You also remove the screw that holds the clamp for the condenser. Then you can pull everything out.
For adjusting the points, there is a screw that holds the points down. This is the same screw that you will see on any other set of points except for the cast iron units (2 piece points). If you were unable to get them to move you probably just need to unscrew it a bit more. |
This comes off insulting as clearly know this, by the way. However, I am going to choose to see it as an attempt to be helpful and ask how do you adjust the point gap with the points out of the distributor, as you have previously instructed?
As I see it, only the screw mounting them onto the plate will hold the gap.
Interesting how I am having to always pry information out of people. That's like the doghouse tins. Folks claimed they have installed them and gave an impression of doing it themselves, but, clearly no one has as no one on theSamba knows how to do the conversion (to one thread on the full conversion, bits and pieces), I am now the first person to do the conversion personally and the only one who knows how on theSamba.
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