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patrickkryan
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 Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Holes in the floor around the clutch, accelerator, and brake |
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| Hi I researched this on this website and others and I cannot find the answer to my question. I am about to purchase a 1967 camper van and around the clutch, accelerator, and brakes petals there are holes in the floor board, are the supposed to be there or should there be seals around them? |
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yes.
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wanta23
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| The holes should be there but there is a rubber seal that goes on from the underside and a foam pad that goes on top. Both are inexpensive and readily available. I replaced mine last week and it's much less breezy in there now. |
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runderwood
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so stupid question here... I got new seals. I was expecting some sort of seal that attached to the floor and allowed the pedal to slide thru it... but thats not how it works, right? From what i can tell, the rubber seal goes on the bottom, and when you press the pedal, it will go down with the pedal, effectively having no seal there anytime you step on the pedal... is that really right??? what an odd design...
i don't have the foam pads for the top... do they move with the pedal as well? or attach to the floor somehow?
I'd certainly be interested in seeing a closeup photo of someone that has this done right...
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hazetguy
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seal goes underneath and yes, it moves with the pedal. the foam seal sticks to the top of the floor and does not move.
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| swhen you press the pedal, it will go down with the pedal, effectively having no seal there anytime you step on the pedal... is that really right??? what an odd design... |
I guess that is weird? I don't drive with the pedals pressed so it's a short period of time.
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I put a set of the lower seals on recently and they don't fit tight. I "fixed" it using a tie wrap. Has anyone else have this problem? What did you do?
I think the seal got stretched out when I put it over the end of the pedal. |
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they dont go over the pedals, they go from the bottom, taking all that stuff apart is on my to do list. problem is things look fragile and i dont want to end-up doing more bad than good, so ill leave it alone for now.
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I put a set of the lower seals on recently and they don't fit tight. I "fixed" it using a tie wrap. Has anyone else have this problem? What did you do?
I think the seal got stretched out when I put it over the end of the pedal. |
Did you use the seals as in the pictures in this thread? A lot of companies sell spark plug insulator seals as pedal seals 
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I put a set of the lower seals on recently and they don't fit tight. I "fixed" it using a tie wrap. Has anyone else have this problem? What did you do?
I think the seal got stretched out when I put it over the end of the pedal. |
Did you use the seals as in the pictures in this thread? A lot of companies sell spark plug insulator seals as pedal seals |
Lol! I'll have to double check. I'm pretty sure they were not spark plug seals, but not 100%. |
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| hazetguy wrote: |
seal goes underneath and yes, it moves with the pedal. the foam seal sticks to the top of the floor and does not move.
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Does this same seal go on the brake and clutch?
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| EverettB wrote: |
| runderwood wrote: |
| swhen you press the pedal, it will go down with the pedal, effectively having no seal there anytime you step on the pedal... is that really right??? what an odd design... |
I guess that is weird? I don't drive with the pedals pressed so it's a short period of time. |
exactly. you shouldn't ride the clutch or the brakes.
also, having the pedal pan on severly reduces the possible amount of airflow
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| The seals I got for the brake and clutch are the same, both from WW. The bottom ones install from the bottom. It's just one bolt to disconnect each pedal. 15 minute job. |
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hazetguy
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when did the rubber seal on the pedal arm start being used? my 59 (and other early busses i have worked on) have felt in square or round retainers. do they also use a rubber seal on the arm?
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here is the accelerator pedal seal....
the other day i had the floor mat out of her bus and the pan off underneath.....
i picked the kid up at school and first thing he sez is i can see light through the floor....
i said its fine i'm working on it.the boy said better get that fixed i dont like it................7 year old critcs......phil
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| There is also a little flat rubber seal that goes on the steering column tube where it passes through the floor. It just sits there on the top side, under the mat. |
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| hazetguy wrote: |
when did the rubber seal on the pedal arm start being used? my 59 (and other early busses i have worked on) have felt in square or round retainers. do they also use a rubber seal on the arm?
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Not believing you still need the answer, Jon, I figured I would at least help make this thread more of a one-stop shop, with additional info that I too will need to know on my April '59 SC:
According to the replacement parts manuals [read: some deviation may apply], up through '59 MY (up to approx. Chassis #501 706) there were round/poss. square pieces of felt on the floor around the clutch and brake arms, Part #211-721-383, and one underneath the floor, Part #211-721-385.
Beginning in August '59 ('60 MY) from Chassis #501 707-ish, the square sealing pads, Part #211-721-383B, as well as the rubber seals, Part #211-721-387,were implemented for the brake and clutch pedals. Here those are from WW for example: http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211721383B and http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211721387.
Hope this helps someone down the road, or if anyone has something to add/change/delete, I'd love to know what would be correct.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Holes in the floor around the clutch, accelerator, and brake |
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The round under-floor stuff is for Wolfsburg until 57-ish? (no idea... my Feb. '58 has the square felt style... see next type down))
Like this '56 Wolfsburg floor pic:
Then came the square one & tab was spot welded to the bottom of floor(you'll need to make this square felt piece). (Wouldn't hurt to use the round felt inside, too)
Then the little flimsy seal inside & the rubber grommet on the arm, underneath. See pics closer to the beginning of the thread.
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