Type 1 converts to a Type 3 engine?

GunninGopher · Last edited by GunninGopher on Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:25 pm; edited 1 time in total

Sorry if this is not the appropriate place to post this.

I have a type 3 engine in my Manx clone and I need to replace the pistons and probably cylinders. The whole engine could use some work, and I'm thinking that I might be able to pick up a decent Type 1 motor for cheaper than it will be to do this one up right.

The engine fits really nice and I like the look of the fan in back. Can I buy a type 1 motor and put the type 3 hardware on it? I'm wondering if it will bolt up to the tranny.

Russ Wolfe · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject:

A t-3 engine running in a dune buggy type chassis will run hot. The cooling air intake is right above the hottest part of the exhaust, and will suck that hot air right back into the cooling system.
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GunninGopher · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject:

I don't think I can fit a doghouse (that's what the type 1 fan is called right?) in there.

I bought this as a project buggy. It actually didn't have any of the ducting (tin?) that directed the fan output around the cylinders. I plan to add an oil temp to the pan. It also has an oil cooler and I plan to add some sender activated fans to that as well.

GunninGopher · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject:

shegel · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:46 am Post subject:

i have all the tin you will need and some you wont, plus i have a f/i unit, if you need em or anyone else needs em let me know. hey russ wolfe(sp) the remaining tin on his buggy is what i have left to take off of my engine so i can start converting it. like i said before if anyone needs any tin let me know.

Bobnotch · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject:

Russ Wolfe · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject:

That body was designed for an upright engine. What ever engine you get, cap off any open fan housing openings where air is blowing out. Like those ones on the T-3 fan housing.
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GunninGopher · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject:

Russ Wolfe · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject:

Yes
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shegel · Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject:

if you want to keep that look i have extra tin i can sell to you.

GunninGopher · Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject:

I heading out to buy a 1912 type 1 complete with a 40 IDA, alternator, lots of chrome and some other goodies.

I'm running an external cooler so I believe I can go with a low fan shroud, correct?

I'm going to put a fan on the cooler though, or at least relocate it. The existing one isn't set up to catch much air.

geddes66 · Samba Member Joined: September 17, 2005 Posts: 44

I have a T-3 in my bradley GT. I like the turbine look to the fan and have polished the blades and added a 2" aluminum airplane spinner to the center to accentuate the "turbine" look. I was concered about the air being hot issue also. I ran one of theose a air temp sensors you hang on the wall ont it with one sensor on the passenger seat (no roof no doors so this was ambient) and the other sensor hanging only 2" from the fan. It turns out the air at the fan was only 4 degrees warmer than ambient at 40 MPH. There did not seem to be any MAJOR corrolation between speed and temp. difference.

In short: Yes the air is hotter, but no where close engough to care about.

I can email pix of the setup. I members email or PM and ask.

It tuns out, my biggest problem is getting pure air to the fan because of the heater. My Brad is currently pressed into year round 240 round trip commutes. So I have these ugly "dork pipes" sticking out to the sides to give me clean air.

Notched · Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject:

Holy crap. Is that motor missing the cylinder head tin? And the ends of the fan housing are uncapped? What was the fan cooling? Anything?

I hope you didn't install that motor that way... Did the previous owner install it?
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GunninGopher · Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject:

That's the way I bought it. It was a fixxer upper, but not knowing anything about VW's I didn't see the problem. I had seen a lot of upright motors, but nothing like that before. It was forcing air onto the rear cylinders, but nothing else.

I've got a T1 engine in there now. I think I'll take the old one apart to check it out and maybe rebuild it as a spare engine. It would be nice to have a spare out at the desert.


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