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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:50 am    Post subject: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

Hi everyone!

I have NOT folding back seat and I want to change it. Can someone share with me some blueprints of the bed, please? I can send a photo of the thing what I need.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

not sure if you are asking about a westfalia rear bed specifically but here are come images from the ASI RIviera bed that one USA company produced, and could be easily duplicated.

in this thread https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4650724

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images from the gallery searched = Zbed
this is a split design, that I don't favoe but ASI offered for some.
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Traditional spacing
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Search =Riviera Bed

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and finally showing the wood backing on the trans hump (in a Bay, but you should get the idea)
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Again in a Bay, but same idea.. they use 4 to hold more weight on the bed w/o bending/breaking the base board while owner steps/sits weight on it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

If your looking at the same design used in the Westy bed here are some for sale.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1850593
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:44 am    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

danfromsyr wrote:
not sure if you are asking about a westfalia rear bed specifically but here are come images from the ASI RIviera bed that one USA company produced, and could be easily duplicated.

in this thread https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4650724


Thanks for answer! I want to find blueprints that look maximally similar to this mechanism.
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I have this seat and I want to make it folding, so I need some drawings for it.
I live in Russia, so it is hard to buy something from USA for me Sad. 'cuz of that, I can only repeat this accessory from a photo.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

Steve M. wrote:
If your looking at the same design used in the Westy bed here are some for sale.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1850593

Thanks for your answer!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

I love the photo of the mechanism on the tiles. Im guessing those are 12 tiles to provide a scale.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

that is a folding seat.
if that is indeed what you have, you don't need blueprints.
bolt it in and fold it down.

good luck Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

There is a big difference between the Westy bed hinges and the "Z- bed" found in what we call "Tin Top" Vanagons. It is called the "Transporter", "Caravelle" or T25 or T3 depending on what part of the world you live in.

The Westy Bed is not as wide because of the cabinets inside the camper.
The "Z-Bed" is a longer bed that looks close to your bed in your picture.

It has been years since I had a Z-Bed in my Syncro, but your hinges look like it might be a Z-Bed. Lubricate thr hinges and as it was already said bolt it down and use it.

We are sometimes seeing parts for sale from someone in Poland and also parts on eBay from Lativia.
You might have some luck if you try to find a bed from those countries if shipping is harder from the USA.

It is best to find an original VW bed as the original beds really save storage space under the bed.

Some more bed ideas:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=305207
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:35 am    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

borninabus wrote:
that is a folding seat.
if that is indeed what you have, you don't need blueprints.
bolt it in and fold it down.

good luck Smile

Well, that bed isn't mine, and the person that sent this photo doesn't want to share with me blueprints.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

Ah, that is confusing because you said, "I have this seat." So it was assumed that was your seat. Translation is hard sometimes, no worries.

I'm not sure public blueprints exist for the Z bed, but I second Steve's comment. There are a lot of parts in Latvia, Estonia, and Poland. Might be able to get some shipped in from there. But if someone has a Z bed laying around maybe they can take some pics with a ruler. I just bolted mine in yesterday, otherwise I would do so. They are a pain to put in and I am not taking it out again, haha.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

Here is a list of websites from across Europe that might help you.

https://busmaneurope.com/search_yourself/


....of course the one from Estonia didn't work! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

https://m.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/vw-t3-sc...0-223-8971


Not sure if this is a bed or not?
https://m.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/vw-bus-t...8-223-5274
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

Steve M. wrote:
Here is a list of websites from across Europe that might help you.

https://busmaneurope.com/search_yourself/


....of course the one from Estonia didn't work! Rolling Eyes

Thank you very much for this site! I will try to find something on it Smile.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

Here was one bed in Russia, but I missed it, someone bought it before me.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

I will be taking a Z bed out of my 91 soon and I can take detailed pics for you. Likely within 2 weeks.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

dobryan wrote:
I will be taking a Z bed out of my 91 soon and I can take detailed pics for you. Likely within 2 weeks.

What would be just awesome! I'm not hurry with this thing, so I will wait as much time as you need.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

Fat Cat wrote:
Here was one bed in Russia, but I missed it, someone bought it before me.
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The picture above shows the mechanism for all the passenger van seat beds in USA models. I'd guess the same all over the world. They only mount to the body on the left and right sides and don't need any floor supports. I don't know what the first set photos were that showed a series of floor-mounted brackets, but those would terribly interfere with space under the seat.

I'd hold out until you found a seat like the picture above. Good luck.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanism of back folding seat Reply with quote

Best to know what will fit....Are passenger van rear seats the same across all years? Like, could I bolt an '87 rear seat (from passenger van with cardboard trim panels) in a '85? I read elsewhere on this forum that some guys were having to move the securing pins on the body for a rear seat swap.
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