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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:27 pm    Post subject: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

I have a 1966 fast back

I'm having a real hard time figuring out what is draining my battery, in the past 2 years I have gone through 2 optima red batteries, I can not determine what remaind on that causes the battery to drain slow while the car is off.

I've checked my alternator, and it's fine. Checked all the wires and they are as designed and properly secured, I have gone through the wiring diagram multiple Times and can not figure out what is causing my battery to drain.

Question : has anyone installed a battery cut off switch on a type 3? Any pictures if so, or is there a solution to this problem.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:24 am    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

Have had this a couple of times with some other cars, it was always some relays that was stuck, try to remove them all, insert them back and if you hear them click, bingo Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:34 am    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

firstly ...how long does it take for your battery to get too flat to start the car ?
i had a similay problem and it took about a week and a half if i wasnt driving the car to flatten the batter...its easy to find out what draining your battery...
all you need is a multimeter....set it to read milliamps mA scale as the current drain should be fairly small. make sure everything electrical is off and disconnect the clock wire and tape it so it doesnt earth out.
disconnect the battery negative earth strap and put one lead of the meter on the negative terminal and the other to a good ground. if you have a reading something is draining your battery. remove each fuse one at a time until there is no reading on the meter and that will tell you what circuit is causing the problem. put the fuse back in then using the wiring diagram start disconnecting whatever is on that fuse. in my case it was the new steering coupler which happened to be conductive. good luck. dont hesitate to ask for more help
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:40 am    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=705015&highlight=
there are some pics in this prev post
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

You might try removing all of the fuses, and see if you still have a drain. Then hook up a volt meter, and insert each fuse to see which one the drain is on.
On my own car, it turned out the radio /clock memory was the cause of the power drain. I hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

andybla wrote:
Have had this a couple of times with some other cars, it was always some relays that was stuck, try to remove them all, insert them back and if you hear them click, bingo Laughing


Done that, and replaced the flasher, still draining the battery. 🤔
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

Peters Van wrote:
firstly ...how long does it take for your battery to get too flat to start the car ?
i had a similay problem and it took about a week and a half if i wasnt driving the car to flatten the batter...its easy to find out what draining your battery...
all you need is a multimeter....set it to read milliamps mA scale as the current drain should be fairly small. make sure everything electrical is off and disconnect the clock wire and tape it so it doesnt earth out.
disconnect the battery negative earth strap and put one lead of the meter on the negative terminal and the other to a good ground. if you have a reading something is draining your battery. remove each fuse one at a time until there is no reading on the meter and that will tell you what circuit is causing the problem. put the fuse back in then using the wiring diagram start disconnecting whatever is on that fuse. in my case it was the new steering coupler which happened to be conductive. good luck. dont hesitate to ask for more help


This was helpful! Thank for being very detailed, I'll try this and update the chat to see what I found or didn't. 👍
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

Bobnotch wrote:
You might try removing all of the fuses, and see if you still have a drain. Then hook up a volt meter, and insert each fuse to see which one the drain is on.
On my own car, it turned out the radio /clock memory was the cause of the power drain. I hope this helps.


Thank you, I'll have to be more detailed, epectecisl is just such a,pain. After reading the post prior to yours, I'm thinking it at be coupler, ever since I installed a new front end, new box etc is when the battery began to drain.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

Peters Van wrote:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=705015&highlight=
there are some pics in this prev post


After reading your post, I'm going to check for that, I recently installed a new coupler along with so new front end and sterring box...and this makes sense! After yoir detailed investigation.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

Interesting you're fighting this battle right now;
I'm balls-deep in this one for sure!

With three cars, and not driving them much right now,
The battery drain situation has gotten to be a bit of a circus.

First of all, battery production has moved away from the USA in recent years.
Not only are all of the batteries we used to trust moved to other countries,
But they only used recycled lead to make them, which supposedly doesn't last.

Had an Optima that lasted for 15 years or more in different cars, sitting for years.
Now, we're lucky to get a few years.
Gave up and started using regular old lead/acid batteries; not worth it to spend SO much for something that doesn't last.

Taken to putting a trickle charger on them 24/7.
Also a few different clunky battery disconnects.

Next one I'm going to try and avoid the struggle of moving the back seat.
Also going to rig up a pigtail to tie in the charger easily as well.

Bet you this one should work for our cars - pans are same enough, right?
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1708934

At first, i thought that was too much cake for those parts,
but after shopping around a bit,
you'll pay that much for a kit anywhere,
and get to avoid buying tooling to crimp your own fat cables.

So,
Yeah,
It's an issue.
You might have a drain somewhere,
or you might not.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

Clatter wrote:
Interesting you're fighting this battle right now;
I'm balls-deep in this one for sure!

With three cars, and not driving them much right now,
The battery drain situation has gotten to be a bit of a circus.

First of all, battery production has moved away from the USA in recent years.
Not only are all of the batteries we used to trust moved to other countries,
But they only used recycled lead to make them, which supposedly doesn't last.

Had an Optima that lasted for 15 years or more in different cars, sitting for years.
Now, we're lucky to get a few years.
Gave up and started using regular old lead/acid batteries; not worth it to spend SO much for something that doesn't last.

Taken to putting a trickle charger on them 24/7.
Also a few different clunky battery disconnects.

Next one I'm going to try and avoid the struggle of moving the back seat.
Also going to rig up a pigtail to tie in the charger easily as well.

Bet you this one should work for our cars - pans are same enough, right?
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1708934

At first, i thought that was too much cake for those parts,
but after shopping around a bit,
you'll pay that much for a kit anywhere,
and get to avoid buying tooling to crimp your own fat cables.

So,
Yeah,
It's an issue.
You might have a drain somewhere,
or you might not.


I actually emailed th3 seller asking if they had anything for type 3s! Cause for what's it's worth migbt just being easier and cheaper to just cut the battery, and I have gone through 2 optima batteries in 2 years maybe less since tu3 rest mod was done on the car.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:08 am    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

i thought it better to find the cause of the battery drain than resolve it with a cutoff switch. the cutoff switch is probably also a good idea for security purposes if its hidden somewhere but if you forget to turn it off when you get out of the car you will still have a flat battery in a week or two.
since i have replaced the steering coupler disc with a non conductive one the panelvan can sit for a couple of months and still starts ok.
being a panelvan it doesnt have a clock so that also helps i guess.
let me know the outcome
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

Those cut off switches offered by the Super Beetle place are very nice. I worked as a Caterpillar Repairman until I retired and the cut off switches used on them broke the Ground circuit not the Plus side. You wont get a spark from the Neg. side when you remove a cable or internally in the switch when on the Neg. post.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

Does any have at images of how they may have a cut off switch installed?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:18 am    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

Peters Van wrote:
i thought it better to find the cause of the battery drain than resolve it with a cutoff switch. the cutoff switch is probably also a good idea for security purposes if its hidden somewhere but if you forget to turn it off when you get out of the car you will still have a flat battery in a week or two.
since i have replaced the steering coupler disc with a non conductive one the panelvan can sit for a couple of months and still starts ok.
being a panelvan it doesnt have a clock so that also helps i guess.
let me know the outcome


Quick update, I checked coupler and I do not get thay power issue you were getting, so I am back to being stumped on this thing! It really gets to me cause I just got a brand new battery and I have it unplugged when car is off and it's very annoying having to connect and disconnect it. I do have a clock, it doesn't work but it is wired.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:54 am    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

Peters Van wrote:
i thought it better to find the cause of the battery drain than resolve it with a cutoff switch. the cutoff switch is probably also a good idea for security purposes if its hidden somewhere but if you forget to turn it off when you get out of the car you will still have a flat battery in a week or two.
since i have replaced the steering coupler disc with a non conductive one the panelvan can sit for a couple of months and still starts ok.
being a panelvan it doesnt have a clock so that also helps i guess.
let me know the outcome


How has your battery been holding since your couple change? I might be checking wrong,but I might be switching the coupler just do it. Which couple did you end up using?

In your thread I found 2 type, in the post I curious which one worked for you
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:56 am    Post subject: Re: Battery cut of off switch? Reply with quote

you will need to check current drain at the battery with a meter set to amps or milliamps. i disconnected the positive lead from the battery and with everything turned off in the car (clock,radio,interior light etc) you should have no reading.
as you can see from the pic i had a drian of 86.9 milliamps.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

whith this reading on the meter you have to pull the fuses 1 at a time to determine which circuit is "leaky"

see how this goes
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i have a pic after i fixed my issue with no current drain. eg 0.00 milliamps.

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Peters Van wrote:
i have a pic after i fixed my issue with no current drain. eg 0.00 milliamps.

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Is was after you installed the new coupler right?

Which coupler did you end up getting? I'm going to move ahead an order one and hope for the best cause I exhausted dealing with this.
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Peters Van wrote:
you will need to check current drain at the battery with a meter set to amps or milliamps. i disconnected the positive lead from the battery and with everything turned off in the car (clock,radio,interior light etc) you should have no reading.
as you can see from the pic i had a drian of 86.9 milliamps.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

whith this reading on the meter you have to pull the fuses 1 at a time to determine which circuit is "leaky"

see how this goes



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