| Will a Subaru 2.2 with Subaru 5 Speed trans make it hauling 18 foot trailer with Rolling Shell on it? |
| Yes, No problem. Roll out with your Goals out! |
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| Maybe, but your pushing it to much. |
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| Go for it, but your ring and pinion, clutch,clutch plate, flywheel, all bolts attaching engine and trans, engine heads,engine valves, the bolts attaching the headers, headers, CV's, CV bolts, CV axels, CV boots, and oil fileter will have to be replaced. |
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| Just NO, I dont think it can be done. |
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| Only if you replace the Vanagon with a Diesel Truck. |
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0cean
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 Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:36 pm Post subject: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your vote |
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The drive train is a newly rebuilt Subaru 2.2 (at least 130HP) with a new Subaru 5 speed transmission.
The Trailer is 18 foot open car hauler carrying a stripped Syncro weekender rolling shell
Journey, From San Diego to Dallas Texas and Back.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. |
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No. A 2.2 is only slightly more powerful than a stock mill. If the route were flat, sure. But it's not. Sorry. Ungood idea.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. |
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If you want to do some load capacity towing tests, go ahead and try it.
Your way over taxing not only the chassis, but the power train--
Give it a shot and report back with the results.
Make sure you don't forget your AAA towing card while on this excursion.
You'll be needing it.
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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A vanagon isn't rated to carry that load and neither is a subaru.
Braking would be a major concern. |
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0cean
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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| syncrodoka wrote: |
A vanagon isn't rated to carry that load and neither is a subaru.
Braking would be a major concern. |
Good point, Thanks for the info. Happy Thanks Giving.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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danfromsyr hauled a van w/out trailer for 1,000 mi with a 1.8, but probably did not have to deal with going up a mountain (hello clutch) or down the other side (where's my big brake kit?) or (hey that guy's rear bumper is coming through the windshield) or (let's get a close up view of the trees in this next ditch).
If it wasn't for going over that big hump I would do it.
Sounds like a noble adventure....
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Terry Kay
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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Under spec'ed vehicle pulling way too much, too far.
You didn't mention what sort of drawbar you planned on using.
Oh--you don't need a diesel pickup of unknown capacity.
Any 1/2 ,3/4 ton Chevy with a small block would get this done with no problem.
Big block without any effort.
One ton would be overkill.
Forget the trailer.
Ramp it or dock load it into the back of a box truck, and go.
Your thinking about busting the hell outa your underspeced, underpowered, light half ton (at best) Vanagon.
Rent a truck with the proper GVW capacity, & engine to move this load.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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| syncrodoka wrote: |
A vanagon isn't rated to carry that load and neither is a subaru.
Braking would be a major concern. |
^^ this ^^
Towing capacity includes chassis, suspension, and braking.. in addition to the HP/torque to move the load.
it is all critical in factoring your safety comfort level.
Personally I'd not hesitate to do that tow around town.. Maybe even 150 miles of HWY driving on a mid-week day..
I have towed things way beyond spec.. with a Vanagon and several other vehicles.. If you keep your speeds modest and allow for stopping distance, it can be done "safely".
BUT! Its one thing to do that at speeds up to 45.. Long distance HWY travel with flow of traffic at 65+? And thousands of miles of that HWY travel?
You are a risk to yourself and others on the road.
I would not do that.
No way.
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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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I don't think there are any hills between San Diego and Dallas. Go for it.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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Shove it in a Uhaul box truck.
If you choose to use your van, be prepared to take lots of pics |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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make it a rolling chassis, tow it on an A frame
i have 2wd front suspension i can loan you if you need
you'll half your towing weight
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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A little foreshadowing.....a new thread pops up with a broken down Vanagon needing assistance, somewhere between CA and TX 
Uhaul, V8 powered pickup truck, with proper hitch, $19.99 a day. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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| insyncro wrote: |
A little foreshadowing.....a new thread pops up with a broken down Vanagon needing assistance, somewhere between CA and TX
Uhaul, V8 powered pickup truck, with proper hitch, $19.99 a day. |
I would suspect you could save the $19.99 dollar a day on fuel using a modern pickup over an ancient not so fuel efficient Subaru.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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I would suspect you could save the $19.99 dollar a day on fuel using a modern pickup over an ancient not so fuel efficient Subaru. |
But don't you have to pay mileage?
As for that tow-job. I'd say no way. I-8 - especially coming from the east, is so f'ing steep. I remember driving my 1982 Westy up that grade once. Decided, halfway up , if I don't blow my engine, I'm never doing this again. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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All of the rational answers just took all of the adventure out of this move.
I say; give your van with the new Japanese engine in it a real good licken' to see if the whole unit keeps on ticken' after this ride.
Take a boat anchor with just in case the brakes fade & don't come back on the way down.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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Anyone worried about the cost will get a rude awakening when whimpy Vanagon brakes superheat down a steep grade...while towing, over the weight limit for the vehicle.
If the OP wants to roll craps, great.
What about other motorists?
Let's just say that this bright idea hit your vehicle with your wife and children in it....still think it is a good idea....didnt think so 
If you can't afford to do it safely, please don't bother. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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Why stress out your van and that new transmission. The cost of failure is too great. I've hauled a Vanagon on a U-Haul trailer behind a U-Haul box truck. Was amazed at how easy it was to drive. Mileage cost would be high for you.
Curious why there AND back?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: Towing capacity with a Subaru 2.2 weekender. Cast your |
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Cause "there" is where it is ?
Drive out, snatches it up, drags it back.
eh...
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