Stuck in 4th gear

[mitchellboy]

i was driving home today fromt he beach and i went to downshift from 4th and it was stuck in gear. it disengages but it wont come out of fourth. i havvent looked at anything yet. but what are some things that would cause this.

[codeMechanic]

the amount of things that can cause this are unlimited for example you could have run over a tree branch and it got caught in your linkage

you would be better off looking at it and seeing whats what

[Big Bill]

It could be the shift rod coulper, or the hockey stick may have jumped out of the three shift rods in the trans. I had a bug do that once its a easy fix but you have to pull the engine and trans to do it. Hopefully its the coulper between the shift rod and hockey stick.

[BarryL]

Am using this thread as I need help.

This transaxle is gungy inside from sitting outside since the 70's. I'm trying to free it up so it will rotate. I already have the drums free. In these two photos is it in first gear? Are the bottom two shift selectors in neutral?

In these two photos I held the face of the hockey stick housing photo square to its opposite side . Is the hockey stick bent?

[cru62]

Just a "lil bit", Barry! Somebody was really trying to get into reverse, 2nd or 4th. Damn!
The faces of the spade end of the hockey stick SHOULD be parallel to the plane of the face the selector rods are in. Again, DAMN!
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[BarryL]

Looking at the parts blowup it seems the top shift selector is the 3-4.

[V-Dub Guy]

Funny I came across this post. I had the exact thing happen to be just before I was about to put it into storage in November. I trailered it to our storage facility and will look at it in April.

[easy e]

Barry... props for you searching & digging up & using an existing relevant thread.
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[BarryL]

[BarryL]

Now I'm completely baffled. If I put a socket on either of these shaft nuts I can rock them as if they are free but they don't turn.

Simultaneously this wiggles but won't turn free.

If I rock either of these I get the same results: they wiggle but don't turn.

But this wiggles again.

I can't get this to slide forward no matter what. It will go in a hair and back out a hair but that's it.

Can anyone tell if the bottom two selector shafts are in neutral?

I'm thinking that I must somehow be in two gears at the same time somehow. The bottom two selector shafts are rock solid and won't budge.

[Who.Me?]

I put the repaired nose cone back on my transmission a few weeks ago. I haven't had my gearbox appart though.

From what I remember playing with the selectors before I fitted the hockey stick, I'd say that yes, reverse and 1/2 are in neutral 3/4 is engaged (3rd?)

I didn't try engaging two gears at one though.

If it's locked up in gear, I'd start to suspect that a chunk of something broke off and jammed somewhere in the gear train while it was driving. If it was just stuck in gear, I'd expect the input or output shafts to turn?

Maybe invert the gearbox and try wiggling the shafts on the off chance a broken part is held in there by gravity and drops out? It wouldn't fix anything though.
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[BarryL]

[BarryL]

In minuscule increments I was able to get the shift selector to appear to be in neutral.

Then using a socket and breaker bar on the exposed gear shaft nuts the tranny started to become free. Now it spins easy and the differential appears to be free. Turning a drum, clutch disc, or either gear shaft, everything turns together. It still is stuck in gear.

I can't believe that with steel shift forks, as these bus transaxles are equipped with from the factory, that I could have possible bent one that far to allow the shift selector to appear in neutral. I'm going to try to put a socket on both gear shafts simultaneously and see if I can get them to spin independently.

At least now it's a roller.

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... about 25 years ago, while living in upstate NY, I was on my way to work, in the morning and saw a real nice white bus on the side of the road (an unusual sight), but I could not stop... thought of that bus all day... took that route home, that evening and it was still there. Had California plates. I stopped while he was under the 8/66, sixty seven and had it rolling, but stuck in 4th... I pulled him to my house, where he spent the night.
Turned out, he sold me the bus. I paid him and got him to an airport, the next day.
I put another tranny in it and used it for years... was an early '67 with single master cylinder circuit... was a nice one.

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[The.Walrus]

This thread seems to cover my issue but I could use some clarity. I was driving, things were fine. Then it was hard to get in third, the it would go into first instead, the it stuck in 3rd with the lever pulled back where 2nd and 4th should be. Physical barrier, I can’t push the selector forward nor get it out of gear with the clutch in. (Clutch works, just can’t move the selector forward).

All in the span of a five mile trip.

It seems like this is not going to be something I can fix on the curb side. (Street parking)

Am I going to be able to get eyes on the problem just crawling under it?

If I broke some linkage or the h pattern, is that a big money fix if I have to have someone do it?
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[mandraks]

the easiest thing to check is if the shift lever is not engaging the shift rod anymore.
Maybe the plate that the shift lever goes into is lose? check from inside the bus.

work your way back from there, take the front splash pan off and start there.
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[The.Walrus]

Posting mostly to make this thread easy to find again, but also a preliminary question:

Due to circumstances my 67 isn't at my place but in the parking lot of a former job.

Before it went down to bureaucracy (registration issues) I was driving and had trouble getting in third. Then third was fine but second was out. Or second was there but now fourth was out. Until finally it slid into 3rd and stayed there but now the arm is low where 2nd and 4th would be.

I'm just going to work my way from the shift lever back and see if anything looks akimbo so I can eliminate all possibilities before we get to 'pull the transmission'.

Anything specific I should look for in the process?
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