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manxfwin Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: case value |
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| What is a 1600 universal dual relief case worth that is in good shape but needs line bored?Thanks for any info. |
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MURZI Samba Member

Joined: August 25, 2005 Posts: 5066 Location: Madisonville, La
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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AS 41 maybe 50.. AS21...maybe 100 _________________ 62 vert
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey

Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2002 Posts: 4394 Location: Brew City
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| Absolutely no one is qualified to answer this question without seeing the case. Please post a picture otherwise the answers you get are useless. |
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nsracing Samba Member

Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9758 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: |
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They are only worth what the buyer is willing to pay for them.
I pay $50 each for a good core case. Fully re-worked cases can command about $200 or so depending on how good they are done. |
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Max Welton Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2003 Posts: 11149 Location: Black Forest, CO
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Dale M. Samba Member

Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20907 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Case is worth whatever people are willing to pay.....
You can put it up as "make offer" or price it at what you want to get out of it.... IF its to high, it will not sell. You can always drop price...
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns"
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Scott Novak Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2004 Posts: 1586 Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Personally I wouldn't give you a dime for it. If the case has been pounded out enough that it needs line boring, it needs also needs to be stress relieved, and it also needs it's mating surfaces to be machined. I don't know of anyone stress relieving engine cases anymore. If you line bore the case and it hasn't been stress relieved, it will do so on it's own while the engine is in service. Before you know it your oil pressure is low.
I know a lot of people think that Gene Berg was going overboard when he said that you shouldn't rebuild a line bored case that wasn't stress relieved. But I've seen the effects that he described. I watched the oil pressure, on my newly rebuilt engine with a line board case, drop significantly within 5,000 miles. I'll NEVER use another line bored engine case again. It just isn't worth my time an effort only to see it go to waste in a very short time.
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Type 5 Joe Banned
Joined: January 18, 2003 Posts: 1795 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Scott, you just plain shouldn't be giving out advice. _________________ If you would like to contact me, just email through one of my ads on here...
I don't use the P.M. service on here. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2002 Posts: 4394 Location: Brew City
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Max Welton wrote: |
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| Absolutely no one is qualified to answer this question without seeing the case. Please post a picture otherwise the answers you get are useless. |
Why would a picture help? You can't measure a picture of a case, can you?
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No, you can't measure a picture but you can see what the major problem areas look like. Number 1 is what the bearing saddles look like. Number 2 is the thrust bearing surface. Number 3 is the strainer plate area. Now, obviously you can't know anything exactly; but you will have a much better idea of what shape the case is in compared to what one guys idea of "good" is. |
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nsracing Samba Member

Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9758 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Scott,
One thing you gotta learn is that not all alignbore job will be the same quality. Some will be better than others.
Also, oil pressure is a function of the oil pump and clearances of the parts.
Low oil pressure should not come from alignboring the mains. AFter all, they are all alignbored from factory. Granted this was done with very large machines. But you can also reproduce this cut out of the factory.
What does the stress-reliving do to the case? If the case has warped is beyond anyone's ability. Unless you have a giant flycutter to resurface the mating areas like a Storm Vulcan 85B. After you surface the mating areas, then you are talking some serious machine work to follow to bring it back to standard.
Alignboring to next oversize makes more sense and easily done.
And plenty of cases out there...alignbored..that have lived long lives and even in race cars. |
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Joined: February 24, 2007 Posts: 1370 Location: Between Florida and Cali
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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If it needs to be align bored/has been aligned bored, I won't pay a dollar over 25, if it was still STD/STD I would shovel over anything for 50-100.
I won't buy anything over .20 on the mains, or if it has its first cut on the thrust _________________ 68 Bug totaled one day will live again
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Max Welton Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2003 Posts: 11149 Location: Black Forest, CO
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Max Welton wrote: |
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| Absolutely no one is qualified to answer this question without seeing the case. Please post a picture otherwise the answers you get are useless. |
Why would a picture help? You can't measure a picture of a case, can you?
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No, you can't measure a picture but you can see what the major problem areas look like. Number 1 is what the bearing saddles look like. Number 2 is the thrust bearing surface. Number 3 is the strainer plate area. Now, obviously you can't know anything exactly; but you will have a much better idea of what shape the case is in compared to what one guys idea of "good" is. |
Good points.
I suppose what an unexamined case is worth is probably an inverse function of the buyers gullibility.
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Jimmy111 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2006 Posts: 2643 Location: Wyoming
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Well you can definitly say it is worth the $7.50 magnesium scrap value
From there it is a mater of what modifications are needed to make it work.
I once paid almost $950 for a crappy single port case that needed a line bore and wouldnt hold oil pressure in Africa... It was that or abandon my Bus....
I was happy with the price... |
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manxfwin Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2006 Posts: 161
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: case value |
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| Thanks for the input,looks like $50-75 would be a fair price for the case that had standard bearings.Needed a starting price as will probably sell at a swap,so as was stated, the potential buyers will determine the final price. |
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