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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 5:22 pm    Post subject: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus - Update Reply with quote

Hello All.
My 1975 bus engine needs to be replaced or rebuilt. It was converted to a dual carburetor system, so it no longer has the original fuel injection. I found a running 1976 bus engine locally at a very affordable price. This engine is a G number engine (GD010785).

I'm wondering if this could be a straightforward direct swap, or if there’s a risk it won’t fit. My plan is to swap the carburetor setup into the 1976 engine.
Thanks

Update :
75 Bus engine code: ED 013508
76 Bus Engine Code: GD 010785


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus Reply with quote

The engine will fit fine but there will be changes needed to the transmission/clutch to make it work.

Off the top of my head if you swap the flywheel and clutch components from the '75 engine to the '76 engine it should work. I might be forgetting something(s).

You probably will need to do some re-jetting of the carbs, you are going from 1.8l to 2.0l.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus Reply with quote

I think the length of the studs that hold the engine and tranny together are different. If you have the bellhousing and starter that goes with the '76 keeping them with the engine would be one way to go.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus Reply with quote

Perhaps I’m wrong but in the back of my mind I want to say that I’ve read before that the cam in the fuel injection engine doesn’t play well with carbs. I don’t have any personal experience with this though.

Following up on what Wildthings said, there was a change around 1976 that included a new, longer reach starter gear and matching bell housing. You need to research this. Longer studs would be the least of your concerns because they can easily be installed or removed.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus Reply with quote

Wildthings wrote:
I think the length of the studs that hold the engine and tranny together are different. If you have the bellhousing and starter that goes with the '76 keeping them with the engine would be one way to go.


Yes, good catch. Swap lower studs from old engine to new. '76 engine lower studs are quite a bit longer.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus Reply with quote

aeromech wrote:
Perhaps I’m wrong but in the back of my mind I want to say that I’ve read before that the cam in the fuel injection engine doesn’t play well with carbs. I don’t have any personal experience with this though.

Following up on what Wildthings said, there was a change around 1976 that included a new, longer reach starter gear and matching bell housing. You need to research this. Longer studs would be the least of your concerns because they can easily be installed or removed.


The starter from the '75 will work as long as the flywheel is swapped. The 2.0 engine was paired with the 091 trans and a lot of differences, but swapping just the engine should be relatively straightforward.

Carbs-cam compatibility - probably an issue but OP is already doing this with a '75 engine (was FI) converted to carbs. It's probably not a big issue if all you need is to make the Bus drive. Might not be optimal for performance, fuel economy.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus Reply with quote

aeromech wrote:
Perhaps I’m wrong but in the back of my mind I want to say that I’ve read before that the cam in the fuel injection engine doesn’t play well with carbs. I don’t have any personal experience with this though.

Following up on what Wildthings said, there was a change around 1976 that included a new, longer reach starter gear and matching bell housing. You need to research this. Longer studs would be the least of your concerns because they can easily be installed or removed.


am running a 2.0L '76 GD code with 34 ICT Webers. It's about 75-77mph top speed, 23 mpg unloaded & driving to infuriate any one behind me.......
It does have the head shims & the dished pistons, 091 gearbox. Idles fine, revs like a 71mm crankshaft should. (slow). Those tiny intake valves & restrictive exhaust keep the torque right where VW wanted it, but the top end revs are non0existent as VW intended. The 2.0L heads are really that bad. Been 39k miles. I'm fine with it,. Over a decade & no speeding tickets! : )
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus - Update Reply with quote

Hi all,
thank you for your comments. I consolidated your comment (in " "). I am trying to make sure I clarify eveythign before I get the engine. please answer my questions and I really appreciate your time on this.

flywheel , pressure plate, Bellhouse , starter & transmission:
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"might require to swap the flywheel and clutch components from the '76 engine to the '75 engine " - the 76 engine comes with flywheel and Pressure plate but not the clutch disc, I can buy a clutch disc for $120.

"If you have the bellhousing and starter that goes with the '76 keeping them with the engine would be one way to go"
"The 1976 2.0 engine was paired with the 091 trans and a lot of differences",
I do not have the Bellhouse or the stater from the 76 bus. I can buy a 76 starter from Jbug if needed which is bout $400, but not the bell housing
Somebody also mentioned that "The starter from the '75 will work as long as the flywheel is swapped.",
qn: I assume I don't need a 76 transmission as long as I have stater and flywheel from the 76 bus right? Do I still need the bellhousing from the 76 bus?

VW Lower Engine Case Mounting Studs:
- "length of the studs that hold the engine and tranny together are different. "
- "Swap lower studs from old engine to new. '76 engine lower studs are quite a bit longer.?"
The 76 engine will not come with the studs but I can buy them from Jbugs $10 per each.

ECU for the FI L-Jetronic
my 75 bus, although converted to dual carbs, still has the ECU in the original location still intact. the 76 bus come with the FI wiring harness but without the ECU. I don't think 76 engine will work with 75 ecu right?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus - Update Reply with quote

chamilka wrote:
Hi all,
thank you for your comments. I consolidated your comment (in " "). I am trying to make sure I clarify eveythign before I get the engine. please answer my questions and I really appreciate your time on this.

flywheel , pressure plate, Bellhouse , starter & transmission:
-----------------------------------------------------------
"might require to swap the flywheel and clutch components from the '76 engine to the '75 engine " - the 76 engine comes with flywheel and Pressure plate but not the clutch disc, I can buy a clutch disc for $120.

"If you have the bellhousing and starter that goes with the '76 keeping them with the engine would be one way to go"
"The 1976 2.0 engine was paired with the 091 trans and a lot of differences",
I do not have the Bellhouse or the stater from the 76 bus. I can buy a 76 starter from Jbug if needed which is bout $400, but not the bell housing
Somebody also mentioned that "The starter from the '75 will work as long as the flywheel is swapped.",
qn: I assume I don't need a 76 transmission as long as I have stater and flywheel from the 76 bus right? Do I still need the bellhousing from the 76 bus?

VW Lower Engine Case Mounting Studs:
- "length of the studs that hold the engine and tranny together are different. "
- "Swap lower studs from old engine to new. '76 engine lower studs are quite a bit longer.?"
The 76 engine will not come with the studs but I can buy them from Jbugs $10 per each.

ECU for the FI L-Jetronic
my 75 bus, although converted to dual carbs, still has the ECU in the original location still intact. the 76 bus come with the FI wiring harness but without the ECU. I don't think 76 engine will work with 75 ecu right?


Mixing clutch, starter, and bellhousing doesn't always work out. Best to stick to all 1975 parts or all 1976 parts.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus - Update Reply with quote

when you swap to carbs,will you be able to get it smog /emission passed in ca
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus - Update Reply with quote

lil-jinx wrote:
when you swap to carbs,will you be able to get it smog /emission passed in ca


Yes. '75 is exempt, '76 is not.

Don't need to worry about the ECU either. Almost all FI parts are compatible, (except some '79 CA electronics,) as long as the number of pins on your AFM matches the number of pins in the wiring harness plug.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus - Update Reply with quote

thanks ,i was thinking that 74 was the cut off,
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 1976 Bus engine fitment to a 1975 bus - Update Reply with quote

lil-jinx wrote:
thanks ,i was thinking that 74 was the cut off,


Common confusion, the Clean Air Act mandated catalytic converters on many cars starting in 1975, and our Governator arbitrarily stopped the 30-year rolling exemption with 1976 vehicles in 2006.

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