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johnshenry
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Got one with a small parts lot, trying to date it. Looks like this one:
But does not have the "1" on the front (so not a 2 part book). This '61 has this number in the back:
Mine has 530 319 20
But no date after. On one page it mentions transporter specs "to '59", and seems to have all 25 and 36hp data.
My guess is '59 or '60? Any ideas?
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The "1" is for Type 1.
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hazetguy
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The "1" is for Type 1.
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i've gotta disagree.
my 1/61 books have type 1 and type 2 info in it, and makes clear reference to which type the information is for (passenger vehicles and/or transporter and or industrial engine).
i have "without guesswork" booklets with 1 or 2 on the covers, some with no number, and they cover all models for that particular year. i never did understand what the "big" numbers on the covers meant.
edit: i just looked at the two "january 1961" booklets i have. they both have january 1961 on the back of the cover. they have different colored covers. the #2 has a blue cover, and is dated 11/60. the #1 has a greenish cover like the one above, and is printed 1/16.
as far as dating it the one in question, John, my January 1959 and my January 1960 (no "big" numbers on the cover) have the same 530 319 20 number in the back.
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johnshenry
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Thanks Hazetguy. Yeah, I think the "2 part" books came out in '61, and that is what the big numbers are for.
Do yours have dates in them anywhere??
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IN2VWS
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My 1959 book doesn't have a 1 or a 2 on it.
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| johnshenry wrote: |
Thanks Hazetguy. Yeah, I think the "2 part" books came out in '61, and that is what the big numbers are for.
Do yours have dates in them anywhere?? |
no. these two do not. the dates are on the cover. |
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My #1 without guesswork book cover is a light green color and is dated on the back October 1963.
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johnshenry
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, senior moment folks. I never looked on the BACK COVER of my book (only got it yesterday).
January 1960
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D'oh.
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Hmmm, you have one I don't have...
Mine:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=413738
At one point hazetguy and I were going to do a post about these books but I forgot about it...
My collection:
January, 1958
January, 1961 - #1
January, 1961 - #2
October, 1963 - #1
January, 1964 - #3 (Type 3)
1965 - March, 1965
1966 - January, 1966
1966 - August, 1966
1968 - August, 1967
1969 - August, 1968
1969 - February, 1969 - Type 4 - Spanish
1970 - August, 1969
1970 - August, 1969 - Type 4
1971 - December, 1970
1971/72 - October, 1971
1971-74 - March, 1974
1960-70 - December, 1971
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Here are some more not in your pic/list.
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hazetguy
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here's my current pile, or at least the ones i could find easily. i think i have a few more packed away somewhere.
top to bottom, left to right:
march 1956, january 1958, january 1959
january 1960, january 1961, january 1961
january 1961, january 1962, january 1963
1966, 1968, 1969
1971 1971/1972/1973
many of those came from an old shop i bough out a few years ago
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: Oops! - new thread! - |
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Hi Folks,
I did a search through the forums for "Without Gueswork" and got over 350 hits. I went through a few of them and then decided there was no compilation of what was printed, so I started a new thread. I got a lot of data right away and was so busy keying things in, it took a while for me to follow the pointers to this thread!
Oops!
But now that it's there, lets make use of the fact that I have actually got a list going. You can find the thread here:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=388562
Note that I'm looking for the following data:
<print date, month / year>, <proper title>, <subtitles, eg: "USA and Canada"> <cover color>
This is a little more than we were getting from this thread...
Thank you for your contributions!
One key question I have is, when did they _start?!_ I guess we may never know for sure, but '56 seems to be the earliest known date at this point.
Thanks again, RT
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