63 notch ignition tumbler

squidjit · Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: 63 notch ignition tumbler

first off ive tried searching.. and the contradiction in all of the threads was starting to give me a headache.. Shocked

so i created my own post.. haha

well i have a 1963 notch that didnt come with any keys...
i ended up picking up a matching set of door locks and a steering column..
when i went to switch them out today i found that the new column is missing the two tabs and wiring for the side marker lights...
so i have come to the conclusion that i will remove the tumbler from the new one and put it into the old one...
how do i go about removing the tumbler in the ignition without the key?
and for the one with the key.. do i turn the key to a cartain position to remove it?
thx
kenn

Russ Wolfe · Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject:

There is suppose to be a small hole on the side that you press a pin in, and that released the tumbler assembly from the housing.
I am no completely sure, but on some of the early ones, the hole had not been drilled.
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rustyfastback · Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject:

If your '63 ignition has the German words "garage", "halt", "fahrt", & "start" where the key goes. If you have this type of lock tumbler, this is not just a easy removal & snap a new key tumbler in type of deal. A good locksmith should be able to make a key for you '63 column. If the switch in your '63 just has a chrome surround where the key goes you should be able to remove it. Check out the photo on the left is a "DV" key code switch, there is a pin to be drilled out, once that is done you can use a '67 or later ignition. On the right is a '67 switch "K" key code(uses a screwdriver to remove).

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drilled out the pin to release the tumbler

squidjit · Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject:

alright thx alot for the info guys..
both of them dont have any writing on them that i know of.. so i might be in luck that way...
i will head out to the garage tomorrow and check em out...
at least i have an idea of what is going on now..

squidjit · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject:

so apparently i have 1 early style and 1 late style...
so the early one has to be drilled out.. and the other i have gotten out already...
but this brings me to another question...
will the tumble from the late one work with the early switch?

rustyfastback · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject:

Look at the pictures above. Does your early switch have the cut out in the cast aluminum housing like the switch on the left? If so you can drill out the pin for the lock cylinder & use the '67 switch. If not post some photos in the gallery.

Russ Wolfe · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject:

Check out this on my web site.
I did not do it, the photos were given to me.

http://classicvw.org/gallery2/v/ign_switch/
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squidjit · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject:

wow those pictures are great... thx alot
i dug in a little more today and i see that it will work...
i had it figured out in my head wrong... Embarassed

now its to get the rest of the car running and hope that it works... haha

squidjit · Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:48 am Post subject:

so now i have run into another problem... while fiddling with the column to replace the tumbler a triangle piece... (some have called it an insolator) has fallen out... where abouts does this piece go?
everyone has taken pics of it out... but nobody shows where it goes...
thx

squidjit · Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject:

anyone?

rustyfastback · Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject:

Is the piece flat & made out of brass? If so that is part of the electrical switch itself. At some point the end piece (where the wires attach) has pulled of the ignition switch. That is the first piece to fall out. Post some pictures in the gallery. Check out Russ Wolfe's site he has the photos of the internal parts. I will tell you reassembling the electrical part is a pain in the a$$.

squidjit · Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject:

on Russ Wolfe's website its the pic labeled "solder on contacts"
and in that picture its the piece on the right with the chunk missing...
i never took the electrical part of the ignition apart so im not sure how this even fell out...
all i did was removed the tumbler...

Notched · Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:56 pm Post subject:

You could have saved yourself a lot of trouble and had a locksmith "impression" a new key. I've had this done with several old VWs. No need to take anything apart.

You have to find more of an "oldschool" locksmith to do this, but it's way easier than the route you took...

Good topic to change out ignition switches though... Very Happy

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rustyfastback · Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:04 pm Post subject:

I would bet that the ignition part fell apart at some time. Maybe when the previous owner or mechanic reassembled the switch they left it out. You must have this piece in the ignition switch or it will ground out & burn up. Test your switch with a ohm meter first.

squidjit · Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject:

alright i will test the ignition...
what should i be getting for readings?

rustyfastback · Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject:

Test to make sure there is no continuity between the connections with the key off (key in a vertical position). When the key is turned to the on position you should have continuity between the terminal 30 (big red wire) & terminal 15 (black wire). When you turn the key to start you should have continuity between terminals 30 & 15 & terminal 50 (red wire w/black stripe). If you have a "P" terminal (gray wire) you will have continuity between terminal 30 & "P" with the key turned all the way counter clockwise. Make sure also you have no continuity between the switch body & any of the terminals. Strange thing I tested a '66 ignition switch tonight that was good, but I heard something rattling inside the column. Took it apart & the triangle insulator piece & the brass contact piece fell out. I think they were left from a previous switch that was bad as the switch looked new.

sonti86 · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:40 am Post subject: sad

ın Cyprus Where ı live its very hard to find ignition switich for my notch, on the north side of cyprus there are 3 notchs only one of them 62 which is my cousins, mine 63 and the other 65 on old man keeps it in the garden bo engine on it. so ı dont know what so ı do how you can help me to sort this problem, you guys in america has lots of opportunity to solve these kind of problems Sad

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16CVs · Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:05 am Post subject: Re: 63 notch ignition tumbler

SO the link to where to drill is dead. I assume that the lock cylinder has that spring steel clip and you drill a hole to access that clip, I just don't know where to drill.
Pictures or a link would be great.

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ataraxia · Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:23 am Post subject: Re: 63 notch ignition tumbler

16CVs · Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:25 am Post subject: Re: 63 notch ignition tumbler

So if there is no clip present then you have to drill? I am unsure where to drill, do you do it in the dedent? If you drill it how does The cylinder syat in after.

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