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jimmynotch
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 Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject: Oil Cooler Seals leaking.... Again. |
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I replaced the oil cooler seals this weekend after the ones I put in three months ago totally failed. I had left my car for 2 weeks while I went on vacation and came home to a poorly running motor and a massive douching from the oil cooler seals. I replaced the oil cooler seals and checked for cracks in the cooler. There were none. Today I took the car for a drive and voila!- the cooler seals are leaking again. Not nearly as much as before, but still a wet spot on top of the motor- which can only get worse not better. What the hell do I do now?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: OIl Cooler Seals leaking.... Again. |
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| jimmynotch wrote: |
| I replaced the oil cooler seals this weekend after the ones I put in three months ago totally failed. I had left my car for 2 weeks while I went on vacation and came home to a poorly running motor and a massive douching from the oil cooler seals. I replaced the oil cooler seals and checked for cracks in the cooler. There were none. Today I took the car for a drive and voila!- the cooler seals are leaking again. Not nearly as much as before, but still a wet spot on top of the motor- which can only get worse not better. What the hell do I do now? |
you sure you have the right seals/cooler combo? do you have the bracket/spacer/plate thingie that keeps you from over tightening the cooler and squishing the seals too much?
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jimmynotch
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: OIl Cooler Seals leaking.... Again. |
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| you sure you have the right seals/cooler combo? do you have the bracket/spacer/plate thingie that keeps you from over tightening the cooler and squishing the seals too much? |
No I am not sure that I have the right seal/cooler combo. I was under the assumption they were universal. And there was no bracket/spacer/plate thingy (is that a technical term?  ). What is there to prevent over tightening are three thick washer/spacer thingys that go between the case and cooler on each bolt. Should I have used some gasket sealer of some sort?
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Tram
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: OIl Cooler Seals leaking.... Again. |
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| you sure you have the right seals/cooler combo? do you have the bracket/spacer/plate thingie that keeps you from over tightening the cooler and squishing the seals too much? |
No I am not sure that I have the right seal/cooler combo. I was under the assumption they were universal. And there was no bracket/spacer/plate thingy (is that a technical term? ). What is there to prevent over tightening are three thick washer/spacer thingys that go between the case and cooler on each bolt. Should I have used some gasket sealer of some sort? |
NO GASKET SEALER.  If you want to try a different cooler, PM me. I may have the bracket also. I'll see if I have something cooler- wise in the AM.
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rosevillain
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| If you have the early case (single relief), and an early cooler, use the thick seals with the spacers. If you have a late case and cooler, use the thin seals without the spacers. If you have a late case and early cooler, or an early case and late cooler, use the adapter seals. Late has 10mm holes, early has 8mm holes in both the case and the cooler. |
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jimmynotch
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But the cooler looks brand f'ing new. I mean I scotch brighted it and put on my reading glasses looking for cracks. Nothing. Bad seals again, maybe? And why no sealer?
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Tram
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| But the cooler looks brand f'ing new. I mean I scotch brighted it and put on my reading glasses looking for cracks. Nothing. Bad seals again, maybe? And why no sealer? |
The sealer can come off and plug the cooler.
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Russ Wolfe
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I do not remember which, but I can look in the morning.
One style cooler has the part number stamped, and the other does not.
But right now, it is late and I do not remember which is which.
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jimmynotch
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Russ- What does the difference in oil coolers have to do with? Type of seal to use or something else? And if I used a VERY conservative amount of sealant...
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Tram
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| Russ- What does the difference in oil coolers have to do with? Type of seal to use or something else? And if I used a VERY conservative amount of sealant... |
I'll make you a smokin' deal you can't refuse.
If you can show me sealer on the oil cooler seals in the parts book, and give me a part number, I'll let you use it. Deal? Don't go pestering Uncle Wolfie when Uncle Tram says "NO!!!"
Seriously. Let's get to the bottom of your problem and FIX IT. Sealant is for American cars.
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JSMskater
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Russ- What does the difference in oil coolers have to do with? Type of seal to use or something else? And if I used a VERY conservative amount of sealant... |
I'll make you a smokin' deal you can't refuse.
If you can show me sealer on the oil cooler seals in the parts book, and give me a part number, I'll let you use it. Deal? Don't go pestering Uncle Wolfie when Uncle Tram says "NO!!!"
Seriously. Let's get to the bottom of your problem and FIX IT. Sealant is for American cars. |
I'll second that. Sealant is farking terrible, it goes everywhere you DONT want it to and fails to seal what you DID want it to. just get the right seal/cooler combo and use the bracket and you won't have any leaks.
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Tram
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| jimmynotch wrote: |
| Russ- What does the difference in oil coolers have to do with? Type of seal to use or something else? And if I used a VERY conservative amount of sealant... |
I'll make you a smokin' deal you can't refuse.
If you can show me sealer on the oil cooler seals in the parts book, and give me a part number, I'll let you use it. Deal? Don't go pestering Uncle Wolfie when Uncle Tram says "NO!!!"
Seriously. Let's get to the bottom of your problem and FIX IT. Sealant is for American cars. |
I'll second that. Sealant is farking terrible, it goes everywhere you DONT want it to and fails to seal what you DID want it to. just get the right seal/cooler combo and use the bracket and you won't have any leaks. |
Plus, I'm pretty damn sure that sealant is not '1500 Club' approved!
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jimmynotch
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| Tram wrote: |
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| jimmynotch wrote: |
| Russ- What does the difference in oil coolers have to do with? Type of seal to use or something else? And if I used a VERY conservative amount of sealant... |
I'll make you a smokin' deal you can't refuse.
If you can show me sealer on the oil cooler seals in the parts book, and give me a part number, I'll let you use it. Deal? Don't go pestering Uncle Wolfie when Uncle Tram says "NO!!!"
Seriously. Let's get to the bottom of your problem and FIX IT. Sealant is for American cars. |
I'll second that. Sealant is farking terrible, it goes everywhere you DONT want it to and fails to seal what you DID want it to. just get the right seal/cooler combo and use the bracket and you won't have any leaks. |
Plus, I'm pretty damn sure that sealant is not '1500 Club' approved! |
Well I am certainly glad that Unkie Trammy and JMSkatard can flip me a bunch of crap over the issue of sealant. Fine. No f-ing sealand. But one of you two better help fix the problem rather than sit back in your easy-chairs driving the keyboard in your underpants.
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JSMskater
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| jimmynotch wrote: |
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| Russ- What does the difference in oil coolers have to do with? Type of seal to use or something else? And if I used a VERY conservative amount of sealant... |
I'll make you a smokin' deal you can't refuse.
If you can show me sealer on the oil cooler seals in the parts book, and give me a part number, I'll let you use it. Deal? Don't go pestering Uncle Wolfie when Uncle Tram says "NO!!!"
Seriously. Let's get to the bottom of your problem and FIX IT. Sealant is for American cars. |
I'll second that. Sealant is farking terrible, it goes everywhere you DONT want it to and fails to seal what you DID want it to. just get the right seal/cooler combo and use the bracket and you won't have any leaks. |
Plus, I'm pretty damn sure that sealant is not '1500 Club' approved! |
Well I am certainly glad that Unkie Trammy and JMSkatard can flip me a bunch of crap over the issue of sealant. Fine. No f-ing sealand. But one of you two better help fix the problem rather than sit back in your easy-chairs driving the keyboard in your underpants. |
We can tell you what to do but you gotta do the wrench turnin' buddy. pull that cooler off and replace the seals with the right combo!
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jimmynotch
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| pull that cooler off and replace the seals with the right combo! |
What is the right combo? which cooler with which seals matched to the case I have?
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JSMskater
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| pull that cooler off and replace the seals with the right combo! |
What is the right combo? which cooler with which seals matched to the case I have? |
whats the code stamped on your case? (the one printed on the top nearish the fuel pump right along the seam in the case) that's the first step in determining what you have. the second is finding the part number on your cooler. (Russ was talking about that earlier) this will tell us if you have an early cooler and case, a late cooler and case, or some combination between the two. Then we can recommend the correct seal and whether or not you need the bracket/spacer. kapeesh?
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rosevillain
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:08 am Post subject: |
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The right seals fit in the cooler and the case without having to force them. The holes are either 8mm or 10mm.
My guess is that you have an old case and a new cooler. |
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Tram
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| jimmynotch wrote: |
| Tram wrote: |
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| jimmynotch wrote: |
| Russ- What does the difference in oil coolers have to do with? Type of seal to use or something else? And if I used a VERY conservative amount of sealant... |
I'll make you a smokin' deal you can't refuse.
If you can show me sealer on the oil cooler seals in the parts book, and give me a part number, I'll let you use it. Deal? Don't go pestering Uncle Wolfie when Uncle Tram says "NO!!!"
Seriously. Let's get to the bottom of your problem and FIX IT. Sealant is for American cars. |
I'll second that. Sealant is farking terrible, it goes everywhere you DONT want it to and fails to seal what you DID want it to. just get the right seal/cooler combo and use the bracket and you won't have any leaks. |
Plus, I'm pretty damn sure that sealant is not '1500 Club' approved! |
Well I am certainly glad that Unkie Trammy and JMSkatard can flip me a bunch of crap over the issue of sealant. Fine. No f-ing sealand. But one of you two better help fix the problem rather than sit back in your easy-chairs driving the keyboard in your underpants. |
I don't wear underpants. Have you forgotten so soon?
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Russ Wolfe
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:50 am Post subject: |
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And I have my blue work pants on.
The difference in the coolers, is in the size of the oil passages.
This determines which seals to use.
8mm case, 8mm cooler = thick cooler seals, and 2mm thick washers.
10mm case, 10mm cooler = thin cooler seals, and no washers.
10mm case, 8mm cooler = special seals with the washers in the kit.
8mm case and 10mm cooler = special seals with no washers.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:56 am Post subject: |
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So then I will go look at the case number and the oil cooler number and hopefully we can figger it out. Spacers, washers, seals, oh my!
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