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Gil G. Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2005 Posts: 228 Location: Austin,Texas
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:23 am Post subject: 2110 What Cam? |
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I am currently building a 2110 engine out of my existing 1776. What would be an ideal cam for the street? I don't plan on taking my car to the track. Looking for good reliability and longevity.
*New AS 41 case machined by Berg for 90.5's
*New AA 90.5 pistons/cylinders for 82mm stroke.
*New 4340 CB 82mm crank
*Heads 35.5x40mm ported polished /dual springs
*Cam Curently Engle 110/w Cb's racing lifters
*Exhaust 1 1/2" merged Berg with dual muffs
*Stock ratio rockers w/Berg heavy duty shafts
*Berg 42 Specials (Weber 42dcnfs)
Can I continue to use my Engle 110? I know it will require some clearance work. Or should I go with something else with my combo? What compression ratio should I shoot for? |
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The Noof Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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FK-8 is a beauty for a 2110 if you're willing to spring for 1.4 rockers and pushrods.I don't think a 110 will do that combo much justice,unless you're building a tractor for a bus. |
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Gil G. Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2005 Posts: 228 Location: Austin,Texas
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Will the 1.4's be hard on my valve train? Or just as reliable as the originals with proper geometry? |
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Marv [UK] Samba Member

Joined: January 07, 2009 Posts: 2225 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: |
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depends if you're going to be running hard. Are you running dual high strength springs or more, er ....springy... springs and whether you're going to be running at really high revs
If your valves are likely to float at high revs, run 1.4 ratio rockers. It will reduce lifter bore wear. Your cam will get worn regardless. High strength springs will do that whether they are 1.1 - 1 or 1.4 - 1
If you're running low revs and less duration and want longevity on your bottom end, run a higher lift cam with low ratio rockers. Reduces the lever arm of the valve springs onto the cam face and reduces cam wear but proportionaly can increase lifter bore wear. But as you're running lower revs, the lifter bores will be properly lubricated.
It's a balancing act over performance versus longevity.
FK8, C25 or C35, W120 Even a C45 as you've got a large displacement.
Seen a 2110 running an FK89 and still idled nicely |
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Gil G. Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Good info guys keep it coming. |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:10 am Post subject: |
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FK-8 all the way.
I was convinced when I drove my friends 2110 with a FK-8. Now I have one in my 2180 and love it. _________________ Glenn
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Gil G. Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like the FK-8 is the way to go..
Should work nicely with the 010 I got from you Glen. |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:30 am Post subject: |
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John Plow's 2110 (from Cal-Look.com)
40x35 ported heads, FK-8, dual IDAs, Bosch 010 and Blue coil.
It's a sweet engine. _________________ Glenn
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A.J.Sims Banned

Joined: December 11, 2003 Posts: 1016 Location: LowBugget.com 982 N Batavia A4 Orange Ca 92867
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Keep the 110 if your going to keep the 1.25's or for more power step up to a fk42 with 1.4's _________________ Have tech questions? Need real help? Give us a call.
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Ragman The Sambinator

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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I think the 110 with 1.25 would be okay too....since you already have the parts.
The Lift with a 110 is .397 at the cam, and with 1.25s it would be .490 at the rocker. Then depending on the brand of 1.25s rockers, you might actually be more like 1.3s, which would put you around .510.
Also, there is good chance you will not need to clearance the cam for your engine. |
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Gil G. Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replys guys. Keep them coming.....
I have stock ratio arms at the moment. Don't know what direction to go though. Seems like everyone so far is for the Engle Fk-8 and 1.4 arms. |
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Viande Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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FK 8 and 1.4's would be great for a hot street engine. Just make sure your heads and valve springs can handle the increased lift. _________________ Bobby
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perrib Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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If it is not worn I would keep the 110, step up to 1.25 rockers if you want. The power band is going to be right where you need it. The FK 8 is going to be quicker at the expense of the bottom end. Then you need to buy close ratio gears to use the benefit of the FK 8 and without a five speed you lose highway speed. With a 26" tall tire 4.12 RP and 1.56 and 1.21 third and fourth gears at 3000rpms you only run 50 mph and 60 mph. The engine will take but it it is noisey. The 110 cam has a lower redline so the stress is less and should last longer. |
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MinamiKotaro Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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If you don't intend it to see track use, the 110 would provide stump-pulling torque for the street.
If you want to use a ratio rocker cam, an FK-7 would be a good torquer with 1.4s. _________________ 1967 VW Beetle
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Alan_U Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:50 am Post subject: |
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If your talking about reliability and longevity I'm suprised not one person has mentioned this. While everything is apart send the case out to get its lifter bores sleeved with silicon/bronze. This will provide you a rock solid bushing material that will take the side loads of a lifter recieving stiffer valve spring pressure. You will NOT regret it!!
The fk8 still has excellent grunt down low with a stock ratio 1st gear with a 3.88 or 4.12rp especially for a street car.
I suggest getting the china made 1.4's from CB. Also get the tool steel cup adjusters they have. Scat 1.4's are also very nice but IMO those cup adjusters they no where as nice as a the tool steel ones from CB.
An Engle 110 is a waste of time if your going to the troubles of building a stroker.
It sure would be nice to hear the flow characteristics of your heads. Port and polish is really meaningless unless you have some flow numbers and port velocity (fps) numbers. Having a larger cam with a head that isn't ported properly will just create more turbulence and be a dog. But all in all the fk8 isn't a big cam at all so it'll still be a decent choice for a 2110 if you want to pick one blindly without alot of details of the head flow.
If your gonna use those used lifters you have you better send them out to get resurfaced. _________________ 11.92sec pump gas true daily driver. Who says it cant be done.
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Gil G. Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Alan thanks for the info. The heads were done by an old vw racer. I'm not sure about the flow on them. The current (1776) has never been fired so the cam and lifters have no wear on them. |
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madmike Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:28 am Post subject: |
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I like the W120,It's been around for years and still going strong can be used with stock rockers or 1:25's all power is done by 6k so you don't have to rev the $hit out of your motor ,thus long life my 2 cents,Madmike _________________ 'Black Ice'Drag Buggy 'Turbo'
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scott s Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: |
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I agree....the 110 would be a waste with the 2110.
If you keep the 1.1:1 rockers, go with a 120.
With 1.4 rockers, go K8 or XR-302. _________________ Nothing screams "poor workmanship" like wrinkles in the duct tape. |
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Gil G. Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Thank's guys! I think I'll try the Engle 120 with my present rockers and see how it does. I can always change it out down the road. And I won't have to explain the credit card bill to my wife. |
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