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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:41 am    Post subject: TD Vanagon Help! Reply with quote

I have put a TD 1.6L into my 82 westy and it runs OK, but i can't seem to get my hands on a TD Vanagon pump Evil or Very Mad . I have heard that i can use the rabbit TD pump and clear the engine lid by lowering the front engiine hanger bars. Does anyone have some more info on this modification??

Or does anyone have as turbo vanagon pump for sale? Pray
Or what about modifying the mounting position on the TD rabbit pump to clear the deck?

Thanks in advance!!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check with Karl at Westyventures.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks! i'll give him a shout.. any other ideas? the more the merrier!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The engine lid interference is very minor. I fixed mine by cutting out a small square of the lid and adding a piece of sheet metal to cover it. The thin metal rests flat ly on the tops of the ribs. That has no affect on the rear bed. Certainly easier than altering the geometry of the engine install.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To get a factory TD Vanagon pump, you would have to get one from Europe. Are you sporting an AAZ engine or a JX engine for your 1.6 TD? You either need an AAZ pump or a JX pump. You could definitely use your rabbit pump you already have. If not, you can always find used pumps here;
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=2c269628438074d1b9ad91099ea25afa&board=8.0
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http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeroforum?id=860

Whatever you do, do not get one from here (or the many other websites this guy hosts that look almost identical);
http://www.dieselvw.com/
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a used JX style IP that I'd sell as I'll probably never get enough time and $$ to to convert my gas powered Westy...

I bought it as a "operating condition, no leaks" pump but I planned to have it rebuilt with Viton seals before using as I sometimes I run biodiesel.

I also have a known bad K14 turbocharger that I removed from my factory powered 1.6L TD Transporter. I assume it's the original turbo with over 200K on it and it needs to be rebuilt; bearings and seals and ???. I chose to buy a new Garrett turbo from WestyVentures instead of rebuilding. (Very happy with service from WestyVentures!! 10 out of 5 stars!)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hijack,but what's wrong with dieselvw.com rip off, bad parts, crappy service?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

as much as people hate them...I got a very good pump for my Diesel

at

thepartsplaceinc.com
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dokarex wrote:
Sorry to hijack,but what's wrong with dieselvw.com rip off, bad parts, crappy service?
Who runs it


1. Cheap chinese parts are stuffed inside the guts of both the turbo and pump I had bought from him.
2. The injection pump I received was completely rusted on the inside (it could not even be used as a rebuildable core). This was after he charged me an additional core charge for the original one I sent him.
3. The AAZ injection pump had a TDI camplate (not the right one so it could never be timed correctly for my AAZ engine).
4. The turbo blew up right away (boost was only set to 16psi). It got so hot it even warped my manifold.
5. I spoke with his staff on the phone, they told me how to return it. After sending the stuff back, I called several times but no one ever called me back. One day, the box was returned to me marked "returned to sender- refused". However, he took out the letter I wrote him from inside the box and used it to make the shipping label back to me.

I was learning a ton at the time about all the diesel parts and I was sourcing them myself to save money on the conversion. If I would have looked harder at some of the feedback about his parts on vwdiesel.net, I would have known not to buy from him in the first place. Lesson learned. Since removing his parts and placing a good pump and turbo on my van, my EGTs dropped from the 1200-1400 produced by these crap parts down to 800 max with the good parts. My EGTs with his pump/turbo sat at 800 even on flat roads. The only credit I can give him is that his parts are so cheap that they didn't last long enough to blow up my new engine.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need to kill yourself looking for a factory vanagon TD pump, any 1.6 or 1.9 TD pump should bolt in & work.

Cut your deck like this:

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I always laugh when the anti diesel crowd use the raised hatch argument as anti diesel conversion fodder.

I wouldn't buy anything with moving parts from that supplier. Do a search for "Prothe" over at vwdiesel.net. LOTS of reading & more than a few horror stories.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for all of the great info, guys! PM to you, turbotransporter!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew,
Did you bend the arm down to meet your accelerator cable?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, originally I bent the arm down and flipped the ball/pedestal part to the bottom of the lever. More recently I've taken to welding an arm on that is the same length as the stock vanagon arm.

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(The extra linkage is part of a VNT vane control)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:17 am    Post subject: ip Reply with quote

Hello All,

I have made modifications to the linkage several times on my various pumps. My welds and professional's welds have failed over time leaving us finding new friends in new places across the United States.

I would suggest changing the end that holds the cable rather than the arm. I will try to go to the garage (aka deep freeze) and shoot a picture of my bus and some brackets.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look at this:
http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.pr...p;Itemid=6
http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.pr...p;Itemid=6
It's on the wrong side of the pond but shipping shouldn't be shat expensive, and Baxster really knows how to pack things.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: ip Reply with quote

POS wrote:
Hello All,

I have made modifications to the linkage several times on my various pumps. My welds and professional's welds have failed over time leaving us finding new friends in new places across the United States.

I would suggest changing the end that holds the cable rather than the arm. I will try to go to the garage (aka deep freeze) and shoot a picture of my bus and some brackets.

Peace
David


I have used welded linkages on several vehicles for several years without any issues what so ever. I have absolutely no concern that any of my welded linkages will ever fail. I don't know what your issues were, but I have not had the same experience.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThorAlex wrote:
Take a look at this:
http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.pr...p;Itemid=6
http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.pr...p;Itemid=6
It's on the wrong side of the pond but shipping shouldn't be shat expensive, and Baxster really knows how to pack things.


Baxter won't ship to north america because he thinks we'll all sue his ass if something breaks. I'm not joking.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't know that. I kind of agree with him thought, its easy to get that impression when you live over here...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used a jx pump and my boost controller was shot. The only place to find a new one was at www.dieselkontor.de in Germany. I would suggest that you cut the deck and use a td pump.If you don't want to cut it I have an extra jx pump that I would sell.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThorAlex wrote:
I didn't know that. I kind of agree with him thought, its easy to get that impression when you live over here...

Yeah, it's easy to get that impression when you live over here too...
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