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jkmcrg Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2014 Posts: 169 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:38 am Post subject: Managing your Vanagon project |
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When I first purchased my westy, it appeared to be in pretty good shape. I took it to a reputable vanagon mechanic, and he gave me the: "Good buy!". So I bought it. It had a few things wrong with it, like the passenger door didn't unlock unless you turned the key just so, the gas tank needed resealing, and the sink wasn't working, but it was pretty much good!
Within two weeks of purchasing my "mechanic checked out" "good to go" vanagon, my water pump broke, and my engine developed a knock. Shortly thereafter, my automatic transmission lost 3rd gear.
Once these things happened, I got overwhelmed. Small problems like the seat belt not buckling right or small improvements like new flooring seem completely impossible and even gave me anxiety. Not to mention, semi-important things like re-sealing a gas tank drop way off in priority. It seemed like I had an infinite number of things to do, like I was running in sand, like two things broke for every one I fixed.
So I had to figure out how to quantify these things, or I was going to sell the van for scrap out of frustration. I had used a project management website called Trello in my work, so I decided to see how it worked on my westy. Trello is basically just list making software, so I entered everything I had to do, and to no surprise, it was a lot. Like, probably a hundred things, a dozen of them labeled "critical". But even though it was a lot, I immediately felt liberated. I felt calm and empowered, because 100 things is a lot less than infinite. And I have been making steady, measurable, forward progress ever since.
So I guess I'm a trello evangelist. Or maybe just a list evangelist. Just wanted to tell y'all about it on the off change it might help you out too. Here are some screen caps of my list (there is a "done" column just off screen that has about 12 things in it )
Here's the labels:
_________________ 1984 Westfalia Orwell (crispy)
2.2L Digifant
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photogdave Samba Member

Joined: April 05, 2004 Posts: 3139 Location: Vancouver Island, B.C.
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member

Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10496 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Managing your vanagon project |
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I think that's an excellent idea.
I bet it'd be really helpful for folks doing things like engine conversions.
Were I ever organized enough to make a Trello list, I'd include a "parts stash" list of typical maintenance parts one always needs, parts that typically fail sooner than later. Hard to explain what I mean but put another way, I have zero regrets stocking up on parts before stuff happens, funds withstanding of course.
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
(VW Gas I4)
1988 Westy DIY 50º ABA
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hans j Samba Member

Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 2741 Location: Salt Lake City UT
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Managing your vanagon project |
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I'd go crazy trying to manage that. I make a list on the back of an envelope and check things of as I do them. Then I lose the list, make a new one and add new things to it. It works great for me. _________________ 1986 Canadian Syncro Westy TDI - 1989 Syncro Single Cab - 2001 Audi S4 - 1981 VW Caddy ABA - 1980 VW Caddy EV - 1973 VW T-181 |
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photogdave Samba Member

Joined: April 05, 2004 Posts: 3139 Location: Vancouver Island, B.C.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Managing your vanagon project |
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hans j wrote: |
I'd go crazy trying to manage that. I make a list on the back of an envelope and check things of as I do them. Then I lose the list, make a new one and add new things to it. It works great for me. |
That's what I used to do but I lost the envelope so often I never got anything done.
Even starting the spreadsheet makes me feel less overwhelmed! _________________ 89 Syncro GL Westfalia 2.1 WBX/WBXaustSS
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CdnVWJunkie  Samba Member
Joined: February 01, 2004 Posts: 1133 Location: Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Managing your vanagon project |
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I'm a list maker to. When the vehicle is in the shop I find writing a list directly on the window (cleaned) with a fine Sharpie works best. Check things off as I go and when done, simply a little squirt with windex or similar and razor blade off. Easy peasy. No paper to lose was the clincher for me.
I do like the idea of project management that this software presents.
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Merian Samba Member

Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Managing your vanagon project |
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Load the maintenance items here and at GoWesty into a spreadsheet - columns for mileage (and time - e.g. 2-3 years for brake fluid; 15-20 for rubber brake hoses)
another column has when you did the item
you can use auto formatting to make a cell glow red if time/mileage exceeded |
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greebly Samba Member

Joined: August 27, 2009 Posts: 973 Location: Here and now
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Managing your vanagon project |
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I find just going page by page in the Bently works.  |
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jimf909 Samba Member

Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 8168 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Managing your vanagon project |
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Neato!
Can it be made to log future routine maintenance such as:
Change engine oil and filter: 6/2016
Replace brake fluid: 3/2017
Replace fuel lines: 4/2018
etc.
Thanks for the tip! _________________ - Jim
Butcher wrote: |
This is the main fault with DIY'ers, they get together on these forums and pat themselves on their backs spreading bad information. |
Guilty as charged.
Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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SCM Samba Member

Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 3369 Location: Bozeman MT
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Managing your vanagon project |
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hans j wrote: |
I'd go crazy trying to manage that. |
Me too. Anything in the "destructive" or "critical" category gets fixed as soon as I notice it before I use the van again. Everything else waits until I feel like taking on a project of that particular level of effort.
So, it's basically like a spreadsheet in my head with only 2 categories. One for "needs done before using the van" and a second one for "whenever I feel like it - if ever". _________________ '91 Westfalia GL Automatic (GTA "Turbo" Rebuild w/Peloquin) and 2.3L GoWesty Engine |
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jkmcrg Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2014 Posts: 169 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Managing your vanagon project |
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SCM wrote: |
Anything in the "destructive" or "critical" category gets fixed as soon as I notice it before I use the van again. Everything else waits until I feel like taking on a project of that particular level of effort. |
True- ideally I would fix everything critical as it arises. But at my skill level, every project is a "project of particular effort"
jimf909 wrote: |
Neato!
Can it be made to log future routine maintenance such as:
Change engine oil and filter: 6/2016
Replace brake fluid: 3/2017
Replace fuel lines: 4/2018
etc.
Thanks for the tip! |
Sure! You can add a "due date" and other details when you click a list item:
_________________ 1984 Westfalia Orwell (crispy)
2.2L Digifant
Automatic transmission |
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Tom Powell Samba Member

Joined: December 01, 2005 Posts: 4855 Location: Kaneohe
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Managing your Vanagon project |
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Don't use RTV ($3.66) in your exhaust system. It will ruin your catalytic converter ($131.01 plus shipping).
Aloha
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jkmcrg Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2014 Posts: 169 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Managing your Vanagon project |
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Tom Powell wrote: |
Don't use RTV ($3.66) in your exhaust system. It will ruin your catalytic converter ($131.01 plus shipping).
Aloha
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Huh, for some reason I got the idea you should use Ultra Copper (high temp) on your gaskets... do you use anything on your gaskets or just clean surface? _________________ 1984 Westfalia Orwell (crispy)
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Ahwahnee Samba Member

Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 10223 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Managing your Vanagon project |
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Interesting tool and very neat & organized - but I'll probably stick to spiral notebooks and a pencil.
jkmcrg wrote: |
...Within two weeks of purchasing my "mechanic checked out" "good to go" vanagon, my water pump broke, and my engine developed a knock. Shortly thereafter, my automatic transmission lost 3rd gear... |
There's your problem, you took it to a mechanic. Next time, try a psychic. |
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Tom Powell Samba Member

Joined: December 01, 2005 Posts: 4855 Location: Kaneohe
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Managing your Vanagon project |
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jkmcrg wrote: |
Tom Powell wrote: |
Don't use RTV ($3.66) in your exhaust system. It will ruin your catalytic converter ($131.01 plus shipping).
Aloha
tp |
Huh, for some reason I got the idea you should use Ultra Copper (high temp) on your gaskets... do you use anything on your gaskets or just clean surface? |
I haven't done any exhaust work on a system with a catalytic converter, but there are several comments on TheSamba saying that silicone should not be used. It is also not recommended for engine assembly where bits may get into and block oil galleries.
On my '69 bay window I use old Permatex #3 on exhaust gaskets and engine assembly and Hylomar on one side and grease on the other side for valve cover gaskets. I haven't done that much repair work on my Vanagons yet.
Aloha
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SCM Samba Member

Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 3369 Location: Bozeman MT
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Managing your Vanagon project |
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Tom Powell wrote: |
I haven't done any exhaust work on a system with a catalytic converter, |
I thought I read that silicone was bad for the O2 sensor, not the cat. I could be wrong though. _________________ '91 Westfalia GL Automatic (GTA "Turbo" Rebuild w/Peloquin) and 2.3L GoWesty Engine |
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Tom Powell Samba Member

Joined: December 01, 2005 Posts: 4855 Location: Kaneohe
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Managing your Vanagon project |
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SCM wrote: |
Tom Powell wrote: |
I haven't done any exhaust work on a system with a catalytic converter, |
I thought I read that silicone was bad for the O2 sensor, not the cat. I could be wrong though. |
You got me to searching the internet. BOTH
http://www.easterncatalytic.com/education/tech-tip...r-failure/
"Contamination: If silicone products are used to seal any part of the exhaust system including the exhaust manifold and gaskets, O2 sensors, and exhaust tubing, you’ve got problems. At best, the highest rated silicone can only handle 700 ºF, so when exposed to exhaust temperatures of 1200 ºF, it quickly burns and outgases, leaving a silicone coating on the O2 sensor or converter wash coating. The results include engine conditions that are out of operating range and reduced efficiencies within the catalytic converter."
Aloha
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brodyjdavis Samba Member

Joined: December 30, 2014 Posts: 89 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Managing your Vanagon project |
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I made a google spreadsheet document to help me keep everything organized. I assign a number rating to indicate how vital each upgrade is, I assign a number for how difficault the job is to accomplish, and I also research the cost and put that in another column. This way I can easily reorganize the list to show me the cheap, easy, or vital jobs ordered out from top to bottom at the click of a button.
Another nice bonus is I can view the spreadsheet any mobile device with an internet connection, and I can share it with someone fairly simply too.
_________________ 1984 Westy | www.brodyjdavis.com |
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Fracas Samba Member
Joined: October 01, 2015 Posts: 56 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: Managing your Vanagon project |
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brodyjdavis wrote: |
I made a google spreadsheet document to help me keep everything organized. |
I've done a similar thing with Google Docs. Now if only there was an API to GoWesty and Rock Auto I could get my Account to pre populate my orders into the my Google Docs. |
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djkeev Samba Moderator

Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32988 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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