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kubicixfactor Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:50 pm Post subject: Type 4 oil cooler |
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Hi folks. Is there any way to test an oil cooler? No leaks on mine and it looks ok but wondered whether this is something that should always be replaced when rebuilding? _________________ 1973 LHD Westy 2.0l Type IV, Twin Solex PDSIT, 123 Ignition Vac Distributor, CB2201 Cam, Vintage Speed exhaust (not that impressed). |
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maximan1 Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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People told me to have it flushed at a radiator shop before reinstalling it, but I didn't and no problems so far. _________________ 1978 Transporter, 2.0L FI |
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Lil Lulu Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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You can never get it all out. Buy a new one. Why chance it? _________________ '65 Beetle "Lil' Lulu"- Ruby Red
1600 stock from '71 bus
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Randy in Maine Samba Member

Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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why did you take the orginal engine apart? What was the failure. You don't want to reuse it if you had any kind of bearing failure. _________________
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| The cooler should primarily see clean filtered oil, so it shouldn't normally ever have anything it in. But if you blew up the old engine you shouldn't chance it and should just replace the cooler as a matter of course. |
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| The cooler should primarily see clean filtered oil, so it shouldn't normally ever have anything it in. But if you blew up the old engine you shouldn't chance it and should just replace the cooler as a matter of course. |
Concur. There is a bypass that can open if the filter gets clogged. With an engine failure it is reasonable to expect debris to possibly get past the filter. All it takes is a few tiny particles to trash an engine. Let us know what you decide to do. _________________
Canned Water - the new California approved parts cleaner (except in a drought in which case rub it with sand).
George Carlin:
"Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it."
Skills@EuroCarsPlus:
"never time to do it right but always time to do it twice"
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mikemiller Samba Member

Joined: April 04, 2010 Posts: 97 Location: Kenosha, Wi
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:15 pm Post subject: oil cooler |
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i have a 76 westy with f\i and its the 2.0l as well and i have a leak in the oil cooler. and i was wondering if i can pull it out without pulling the motor _________________ 1976 2000cc single weber progressive carb
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: oil cooler |
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| i have a 76 westy with f\i and its the 2.0l as well and i have a leak in the oil cooler. and i was wondering if i can pull it out without pulling the motor |
Not all that easy but yes. First you want to make sure it is the cooler that is leaking. I would guess that most leaky coolers end up being a leaky oil pressure switch instead. The switch is very easy and cheap to replace. |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member

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mikemiller Samba Member

Joined: April 04, 2010 Posts: 97 Location: Kenosha, Wi
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: oil cooler |
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| Wildthings wrote: |
| mikemiller wrote: |
| i have a 76 westy with f\i and its the 2.0l as well and i have a leak in the oil cooler. and i was wondering if i can pull it out without pulling the motor |
Not all that easy but yes. First you want to make sure it is the cooler that is leaking. I would guess that most leaky coolers end up being a leaky oil pressure switch instead. The switch is very easy and cheap to replace. |
is the switch off to the left of the oil cooler if your under the engine. because when i bought it last summer i drove it home and the spot it left was bigger then when i looked when i picked it up. and i just thought the gasket may have been set improperly or it got to hot _________________ 1976 2000cc single weber progressive carb
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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not meaning disrespect - do you have your Bentley manual yet?
The oil sender is in a hole in the tin near the distributor. When it leaks it drips on the left side. So do loose heads (cylinder leak) and bad pushrod seals. Don't be eager beaver to pull it out until you locate the leak source. Clean it up really well and use a dye and dye detector if you have to. _________________
Canned Water - the new California approved parts cleaner (except in a drought in which case rub it with sand).
George Carlin:
"Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it."
Skills@EuroCarsPlus:
"never time to do it right but always time to do it twice"
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mikemiller Samba Member

Joined: April 04, 2010 Posts: 97 Location: Kenosha, Wi
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:04 pm Post subject: oil cooler |
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none taken my friend. and no i have been going to the library to use it. i know i need to get one. and the dummy guide only gets so far into any project. but the oil comes down the oil filter and down the side of the space where u get your hand in their to tighten the oil filter. i have put it on a lift and searched everywhere. and its just that small area over the filter that gets wet. _________________ 1976 2000cc single weber progressive carb
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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well those housings crack too. I would start with the oil sender and buy a new rubber boot for it too as the old one will be rotted. _________________
Canned Water - the new California approved parts cleaner (except in a drought in which case rub it with sand).
George Carlin:
"Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it."
Skills@EuroCarsPlus:
"never time to do it right but always time to do it twice"
1971 deluxe (sold)
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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The oil pressure switch/sender is pretty much directly over the oil filter. So any oil leaking from the sender ends up right on top of the filter and cooler.
A leaky sender is even hard to spot when you are looking directly down into the hole where the sender sits as visibility is never that good when the distributor and all the hoses and wires are in place. |
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mikemiller Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:12 pm Post subject: oil cooler |
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will do thanks for the tip. seeing that i live in WI as soon as it gets above freezing i will put that at the top of my list. i just figured while i have the alt. off i would see how hard it was to get at the oil cooler _________________ 1976 2000cc single weber progressive carb
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42988 Location: at the beach in Northern Wokistan
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: oil cooler |
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| mikemiller wrote: |
| will do thanks for the tip. seeing that i live in WI as soon as it gets above freezing i will put that at the top of my list. i just figured while i have the alt. off i would see how hard it was to get at the oil cooler |
wait _________________
Canned Water - the new California approved parts cleaner (except in a drought in which case rub it with sand).
George Carlin:
"Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it."
Skills@EuroCarsPlus:
"never time to do it right but always time to do it twice"
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kubicixfactor Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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I split the case to check the bearings after a head failure last year (valve guide failed). There wasn't any visible bearing damage but i replaced all bearings as a precaution. I was plagued by a very high oil temp so I think I'll play safe and replace the cooler. Thanks for advice as always. _________________ 1973 LHD Westy 2.0l Type IV, Twin Solex PDSIT, 123 Ignition Vac Distributor, CB2201 Cam, Vintage Speed exhaust (not that impressed). |
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I split the case to check the bearings after a head failure last year (valve guide failed). There wasn't any visible bearing damage but i replaced all bearings as a precaution. I was plagued by a very high oil temp so I think I'll play safe and replace the cooler. Thanks for advice as always. |
Better safe than sorry with all that work you have done. If you are still plagued with him temps you might check your tin to be sure it is all in order. Also triple check the action of the flaps. It has been in the 40's here (F) and our oil has been 160F to 180F. _________________
Canned Water - the new California approved parts cleaner (except in a drought in which case rub it with sand).
George Carlin:
"Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it."
Skills@EuroCarsPlus:
"never time to do it right but always time to do it twice"
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kubicixfactor Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for that advice. I'll be posting the tin and flaps setup as I reassemble to make sure there are no obvious problems. _________________ 1973 LHD Westy 2.0l Type IV, Twin Solex PDSIT, 123 Ignition Vac Distributor, CB2201 Cam, Vintage Speed exhaust (not that impressed). |
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