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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Already I'm learned pictures put in. Therefore attach another beautiful thing. Original windshield wiper to the KdF Beetle
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Samleon and OUB, the pictures are great, you are very skilled. I think my Schwimmwagen will will take twenty years too! Your car is a labour of love! If you know of anyone who is selling any schwimmwagen parts, please contact me, I need many! Keep up the good work.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How so see, so me stop away insert correct photograph. I shall have to then once more ask Sameleona.
Captiain Q. do you think original lots on Schwimmwagen or newly done?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both old and new parts, some parts are only available old, like the transmission. But I use new parts if they are available aswell. I do not have a problem with new or old. But I need a gearbox most of all
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But I need a gearbox most of all


There was a resto'ed tranny on the Bart Lemmens classifieds recently.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asked I'm Sameleona, to you photos on forum placed. Because I know do hands, but work with PC much I don't know.
This project wagon 877 is horrible long. Last over already 20 years. Behind that time I'm rounded up all lots to type 877.
Here I send couple of pictures undercart. I am sorry for bad quality pictures.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would give a large bag of Gold for an entire assembly like that. I hear WW is going to repro one... Wink

Thank you for the Nice photos!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would give a large bag of Gold for an entire assembly like that. I hear WW is going to repro one... Wink

Thank you for the Nice photos!


I agree, that front framehead drive unit is uber-cool. I saw one once years ago at Mark Merril's place. Although I have to wonder if that bolt-up to the framehead isn't a pretty weak area. I can't imagine the body providing much additional support to the beam.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that frame head looks to be reinforced pretty heavily.

Does seem counter intuitive that it would not just break off.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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that frame head looks to be reinforced pretty heavily.

Does seem counter intuitive that it would not just break off.


I don't see any reinforcements on the frame head, except the mating area for the differential. I suppose it isn't all that different from the frame head part that is welded on the normal chassis. I would just think that bolt up area would be under some pretty hard stress (and axial toque along the tunnel axis) as the thing was driven off road.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would just think that bolt up area would be under some pretty hard stress (and axial toque along the tunnel axis) as the thing was driven off road.


I dunno John...

Weight+Motion=Torque and that car wasn't very heavy or fast. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would just think that bolt up area would be under some pretty hard stress (and axial toque along the tunnel axis) as the thing was driven off road.


I dunno John...

Weight+Motion=Torque and that car wasn't very heavy or fast. Wink


Uh no, weight plus motion = inertia.

Torque is a force acting on an object causes that object to rotate. Such as the the car hitting a big rut with one of the front wheels (even at a moderate speed) and it wanting to twist and rip that bolted flange of the framehead.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, torque is a measurement so that equation wasn't trying to teach a physics lesson. And weight at ( a certain moment) in motion around an axis would have been a better way for me to put it in laymans.
But where is your axis ? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Okay, torque is a measurement so that equation wasn't trying to teach a physics lesson. And weight at ( a certain moment) in motion around an axis would have been a better way for me to put it in laymans.
But where is your axis ? Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:08 am    Post subject: Front differential Reply with quote

Heres my diff casing in the raw, it's very strong and heavy, what you see here is two pieces and you can clearly see how it attatches to the front beams/torsion tubes.
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I doubt its weak where it attatches to the body because as you can see there are many bolts that attatch it the body and that area is reinforced and it is also attatched to the body via the front beams.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: Front differential Reply with quote

Because I don't know English plus use translator, so I think, that the symposium is about it whether is tunnel in front enough reinforced. I'm not sure, whether is that a rather reinforced but because these rolling stock be not doing in series so it is possible, that the in using come to some problems. It will catch sight of.
Photograph fore final drive housing are nice to, but this final drive housing is from type 166. Don't belong to on type 877. I I have on photographs this final drive housing, but this to the wagon will not come. Shall I original that the there belongs to.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what material was used to cast the front diff and frame head? is it cast iron? steel? aluminum alloy? an approximative weight in kg?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great pics!

I find it even more curious that there doesn't seem to be anything to support the shear force along the face of the flange. Unless the bolt bore clearances are very tight, the diff would want to slip upward on the flange when the beam is loaded. I don't think I see any kind of lip on the tunnel flange to support this.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnshenry wrote:
Great pics!

I find it even more curious that there doesn't seem to be anything to support the shear force along the face of the flange. Unless the bolt bore clearances are very tight, the diff would want to slip upward on the flange when the beam is loaded. I don't think I see any kind of lip on the tunnel flange to support this.


Perhaps thats why so few were made? The design didn't hold up?

I look at that radial bolt pattern where the whole assembly attaches to the frame head and think it should be pretty strong. unlike the rear of the car, the front has very little weight. How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootise pop? The world may never know.

too bad I don't have one so I can do a little testing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the grey museum car you see a reinforcement on the underside of the floorpan. I think the setup is strong enough for the frontdiff. The house is bolted to the frame....On a normal beetle the head is welded on the tunnel. Not that big difference to me. The bolt holes are probably welded tubes trough the Napoleon hat on the frame.

Kapt , Is that a new cast front house?
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