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OUB Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Already I'm learned pictures put in. Therefore attach another beautiful thing. Original windshield wiper to the KdF Beetle
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Kapt. Q Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2011 Posts: 256 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Thank you Samleon and OUB, the pictures are great, you are very skilled. I think my Schwimmwagen will will take twenty years too! Your car is a labour of love! If you know of anyone who is selling any schwimmwagen parts, please contact me, I need many! Keep up the good work. |
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OUB Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2011 Posts: 5 Location: CZECH
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:43 am Post subject: |
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How so see, so me stop away insert correct photograph. I shall have to then once more ask Sameleona.
Captiain Q. do you think original lots on Schwimmwagen or newly done? |
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Kapt. Q Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2011 Posts: 256 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Both old and new parts, some parts are only available old, like the transmission. But I use new parts if they are available aswell. I do not have a problem with new or old. But I need a gearbox most of all |
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KäferKrieger Samba Member

Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 331 Location: Pacific Woodpile
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Kapt. Q wrote: |
But I need a gearbox most of all |
There was a resto'ed tranny on the Bart Lemmens classifieds recently. _________________ I contend that we thinking people should,
"Round-up all religious humans and put them on one island together.
An island where they can permanently sort out their indifferences & insecurities once and for all." |
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OUB Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2011 Posts: 5 Location: CZECH
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:36 am Post subject: |
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Asked I'm Sameleona, to you photos on forum placed. Because I know do hands, but work with PC much I don't know.
This project wagon 877 is horrible long. Last over already 20 years. Behind that time I'm rounded up all lots to type 877.
Here I send couple of pictures undercart. I am sorry for bad quality pictures.
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Seb67 Samba Member

Joined: December 02, 2003 Posts: 1009 Location: New England
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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I would give a large bag of Gold for an entire assembly like that. I hear WW is going to repro one...
Thank you for the Nice photos! _________________ 1964 Type 1 |
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9405 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Seb67 wrote: |
I would give a large bag of Gold for an entire assembly like that. I hear WW is going to repro one...
Thank you for the Nice photos! |
I agree, that front framehead drive unit is uber-cool. I saw one once years ago at Mark Merril's place. Although I have to wonder if that bolt-up to the framehead isn't a pretty weak area. I can't imagine the body providing much additional support to the beam. _________________ John Henry
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splitjunkie Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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that frame head looks to be reinforced pretty heavily.
Does seem counter intuitive that it would not just break off. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9405 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
that frame head looks to be reinforced pretty heavily.
Does seem counter intuitive that it would not just break off. |
I don't see any reinforcements on the frame head, except the mating area for the differential. I suppose it isn't all that different from the frame head part that is welded on the normal chassis. I would just think that bolt up area would be under some pretty hard stress (and axial toque along the tunnel axis) as the thing was driven off road. _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
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KäferKrieger Samba Member

Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 331 Location: Pacific Woodpile
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
I would just think that bolt up area would be under some pretty hard stress (and axial toque along the tunnel axis) as the thing was driven off road. |
I dunno John...
Weight+Motion=Torque and that car wasn't very heavy or fast.  _________________ I contend that we thinking people should,
"Round-up all religious humans and put them on one island together.
An island where they can permanently sort out their indifferences & insecurities once and for all." |
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9405 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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KäferKrieger wrote: |
johnshenry wrote: |
I would just think that bolt up area would be under some pretty hard stress (and axial toque along the tunnel axis) as the thing was driven off road. |
I dunno John...
Weight+Motion=Torque and that car wasn't very heavy or fast.  |
Uh no, weight plus motion = inertia.
Torque is a force acting on an object causes that object to rotate. Such as the the car hitting a big rut with one of the front wheels (even at a moderate speed) and it wanting to twist and rip that bolted flange of the framehead. _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
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KäferKrieger Samba Member

Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 331 Location: Pacific Woodpile
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, torque is a measurement so that equation wasn't trying to teach a physics lesson. And weight at ( a certain moment) in motion around an axis would have been a better way for me to put it in laymans.
But where is your axis ?  _________________ I contend that we thinking people should,
"Round-up all religious humans and put them on one island together.
An island where they can permanently sort out their indifferences & insecurities once and for all." |
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9405 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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KäferKrieger wrote: |
Okay, torque is a measurement so that equation wasn't trying to teach a physics lesson. And weight at ( a certain moment) in motion around an axis would have been a better way for me to put it in laymans.
But where is your axis ?  |
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axial toque along the tunnel axis |
_________________ John Henry
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'56 Single Cab |
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Kapt. Q Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2011 Posts: 256 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:08 am Post subject: Front differential |
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Heres my diff casing in the raw, it's very strong and heavy, what you see here is two pieces and you can clearly see how it attatches to the front beams/torsion tubes.
I doubt its weak where it attatches to the body because as you can see there are many bolts that attatch it the body and that area is reinforced and it is also attatched to the body via the front beams. |
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OUB Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2011 Posts: 5 Location: CZECH
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:03 am Post subject: Re: Front differential |
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Because I don't know English plus use translator, so I think, that the symposium is about it whether is tunnel in front enough reinforced. I'm not sure, whether is that a rather reinforced but because these rolling stock be not doing in series so it is possible, that the in using come to some problems. It will catch sight of.
Photograph fore final drive housing are nice to, but this final drive housing is from type 166. Don't belong to on type 877. I I have on photographs this final drive housing, but this to the wagon will not come. Shall I original that the there belongs to. |
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eurodub Samba Member

Joined: August 05, 2007 Posts: 1321
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:29 am Post subject: |
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what material was used to cast the front diff and frame head? is it cast iron? steel? aluminum alloy? an approximative weight in kg?
thanks _________________ 1960 1200 model 117 deluxe ragtop
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9405 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Great pics!
I find it even more curious that there doesn't seem to be anything to support the shear force along the face of the flange. Unless the bolt bore clearances are very tight, the diff would want to slip upward on the flange when the beam is loaded. I don't think I see any kind of lip on the tunnel flange to support this. _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
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Seb67 Samba Member

Joined: December 02, 2003 Posts: 1009 Location: New England
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:52 am Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
Great pics!
I find it even more curious that there doesn't seem to be anything to support the shear force along the face of the flange. Unless the bolt bore clearances are very tight, the diff would want to slip upward on the flange when the beam is loaded. I don't think I see any kind of lip on the tunnel flange to support this. |
Perhaps thats why so few were made? The design didn't hold up?
I look at that radial bolt pattern where the whole assembly attaches to the frame head and think it should be pretty strong. unlike the rear of the car, the front has very little weight. How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootise pop? The world may never know.
too bad I don't have one so I can do a little testing. _________________ 1964 Type 1 |
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peter schepens Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2003 Posts: 1030 Location: belgium Caesars camp
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:04 am Post subject: |
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On the grey museum car you see a reinforcement on the underside of the floorpan. I think the setup is strong enough for the frontdiff. The house is bolted to the frame....On a normal beetle the head is welded on the tunnel. Not that big difference to me. The bolt holes are probably welded tubes trough the Napoleon hat on the frame.
Kapt , Is that a new cast front house? _________________ Zelensis, glassfibre body made in Belgium , disigned and built on a VW platform About 25 body's built.
Hebmuller info wanted for http://www.hebmueller-registry.com/home.html |
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