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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another thread on the same topic, 1621 mentions black floor buffer discs:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=332888&highlight=rear+vent+foam

The only reason I'd want to replace that foam is because wasps seem to like nesting there so perhaps the foam would keep them out. I found a couple of starter homes in there last summer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree about wasps, other bugs, etc making homes in there. As long as the material is rigid and dense enough to let bugs from entering yet porous enough to let air move through easily, opt should work.

I am leaning toward the plastic mesh material used in less expensive furnace filters. There is a rain screen house wrap that may work well also. I think it is called Home Slicker, but you would need a few layers of it to fill the channel properly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is possible to replace the foam without cutting the vent open. Just cut to the correct width and insert/pull with a plier.

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Sorry for the photo as the curtain is in the way.

I also use it to wrap the evaporator since the original foam are all disintegrated.

Just found it on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foam-Wall-Window-Unit-Air-...5ae6837100
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevey, this stuff looks perfect. Thank you.

stevey88 wrote:
It is possible to replace the foam without cutting the vent open. Just cut to the correct width and insert/pull with a plier.

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Bought the foam from ebay and cost only a few dollars with shipping. I also use it to wrap the evaporator since the original foam are all disintegrated.

Just found it on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foam-Wall-Window-Unit-Air-...5ae6837100

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone has a pair to sell, PM me!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you buy the rear vents, make sure the rubber flap is still hanging in the right place and have not fallen down. This flap block off the inside of the vent from the outside when the van is not moving. I have a spare pair of the vents but one has the flap fallen off. This flap is inside the vent and can be seen from the out side slots. The only way to put it back is to cut it open.
I put in the rear vents on my Westy so I can use the doors from a 90 and put in the rubber strip between the doors and the body. They do cut down the wind noise a lot.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve
When you put the rubber seal between the front doors and
A-pillar what did you do with that one tab that doesnt sit
right. The later bodies have a little bit different a-pillar.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BillM wrote:
Steve
When you put the rubber seal between the front doors and
A-pillar what did you do with that one tab that doesnt sit
right. The later bodies have a little bit different a-pillar.


The later model has raised " landings " for the middle taps but a nut used as a spaced for the lowest tap. I put in the first screw and then tried to put a nuts to the lowest tap as spacer but for some reason the metal strip just do not mount right. So I end up just bending the mounting taps to the right angle and screwed them in. The end result is OK.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put these in my 87. The foam, like everybody says, poofed into dust. I installed them without replacing the foam, and I haven't noticed any bugs getting in, or whistling. Then again it's so loud in my van I'm not sure I'd notice anyway, but I haven't heard any complaints from the kids.

They were VERY difficult to install. I have installed several windows in the past using the cord in the channel method and these fought me the whole way. Even ripped the rubber in a couple places. Maybe if you start with new rubber you will have an easier time of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I damaged a rubber seal also while installing them. This a a two person job for sure. I found having the cord cross over at the top of the window but pulling one side of the cord pass the plastic vent first make it easier. This is because the plastic vent will not allow you to pull with the cord parallel to the glass.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case it helps anyone with this project, I have a late model, factory tint, rearmost passenger side glass in perfect condition available for sale. PM me if interested.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rebuilt mine, degreased, soaked in the tub in orange cleaner, rinsed, then wire brushed, then tossed in the dish washer.

Came out all grey ish, then used Griots Bumper and trim reconditioner (Dye) and a heat gun to really sinnk it in.

two years later, still lookin real nice.

The filter.. is HVAC plenum.

I got mine courtesy of NOD7!

It is helpful to have a couple picks, and take your time fishing, pushing into place.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old thread I know but I have the perfect solution!
While my windows were out for paint, like everyone else I cleaned up the plastic vents and like everyone else, the foam disintegrated. I took a trip to Home Depot and after about a half hour of searching I found this material. It's a wet/dry vac filter and it cost about $9. I can't tell the difference between it and the original material.

New filter(left) old deteriorated material(right)
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New piece cut slightly larger than the space and gently pushed/pulled into place. It went in very easily and I think you could even replace these with the vents still installed in the van.

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Like new, for super cheap!

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Once again, thanks to my wife's tolerance of auto parts in the kitchen sink!
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dubbified wrote:
I rebuilt mine, degreased, soaked in the tub in orange cleaner, rinsed, then wire brushed, then tossed in the dish washer.

Came out all grey ish, then used Griots Bumper and trim reconditioner (Dye) and a heat gun to really sinnk it in.

two years later, still lookin real nice.

The filter.. is HVAC plenum.

I got mine courtesy of NOD7!

It is helpful to have a couple picks, and take your time fishing, pushing into place.


Very cool.

I'm glad I stumbled upon this post. Any more tips for putting the window back in? I'd hate to rip a new seal...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My solution to this disintegrating filter issue was to take some stainless steel mesh lint traps that are used for the water outlets of washing machines.

I used two of these lint traps per vent,( As there is one vent on the drivers side and one vent on the passenger side.) I laid one lint trap mesh flat, and folded it over itself lengthwise, in half. I then did this with another one and sewed the two folded mesh lint traps end to end so as to have a long strip that actually ends up being 4 layers of mesh in thickness.

I then took a sharp picking device, similar to a dental tool, and heated it up with flame. I used this tool to make holes in the ends of the plastic vent so as to have points in which to sew/attach this lint trap mesh strip to each end of the plastic vent.

The strip of wire lint trap mesh is inter-weaved and pulled through the slotted space where the old, and now disintegrated, foam filter used to be.

I used what is referred to as an upholstery needle to sew/attach a plastic coated steel wire to the mesh and to the holes made in each end of the plastic vents. I ensured that the wire mesh lint trap strip was tight from end to end. It is kept in place, despite the fact that it is only being held to the plastic vent on each opposing end, because inside the vent there is a specific channel that the wire mesh slides inside of and rests within.

This is my preferred solution as these things are not easy to access, particularly in the cabinet side. The wire mesh is essentially rust free, and it will not disintegrate as a foam piece might tend to do so, thus eliminating the need to ever replace this filter again.

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After cleaning the vent, from grime and its original filter I ended up with this:

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Here are the items I used:

Plastic coated metal wire, used for beading, and jewelry making, and found at Michaels craft store.

Upholstery needle

Stainless steel Wire mesh lint traps folded in half lengthwise.

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Here I am making the holes in the plastic vent:

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Here is an image of me Pulling the two folded over, sewed end to end, wire mesh lint traps through the foam channel after having sewn/attached the opposing end of this wire mesh strip to the plastic vent. once again, I sewed/attached this wire mesh strip using the plastic coated wire and the holes that I had made with the heated picking tool.

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Here I am sewing the stainless steel wire mesh to the plastic vent using the curved upholstery needle and plastic coated steel thread.

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Here is the Finished version:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks man.. Most of my thinking tends to be that way... This has not always worked in my favor...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David,
Did you get them reinstalled yet? I'm hoping for window install tips as I seem to have bad luck with window seals.......
Nice fix!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello KevbOliver,

I apologize for the delayed response, and no, I have not installed them as of yet, I was working on custom rear sliding windows, finished now but not yet installed. I would suggest searching here, and throughout the web. When I installed windows awhile back i used a spray bottle with soapy water inside, a wooden dowel that fits into the hand like a handle, with a plastic cloths line cord strung through the center.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

David,

No problemo man! I still have not pulled mine. I have installed other windows on the van with varied success using tools like you mention but earlier in this thread brought up the added difficulty because of this extra vent piece...

Rear custom sliders?! Sounds nice Dave, you'll have to post up some photos once installed- if you remember, let me know how the install goes.

Thanks and good luck!
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