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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2367 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:09 pm Post subject: Autocraft vs. Klassicfab vs. Wolfsburg West vs. BBT |
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I am wondering if anybody has put equivalent sheet metal parts side by side and compared the quality? Is there much of a difference? I'd like to see photos comparing the two and noting differences/similarities and quality of each...
Now that autocraft is more readily available in NA, I am considering it as an option, I'd like to use something other than funky green for personal reasons, if the quality is good. I have a very large sheet metal order to place soon and want to get the best bang for my buck....
I am sure there must be others wondering the same thing... |
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beetleseb Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2006 Posts: 430 Location: Cheltenham UK
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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I have used autocraft on my bus and its great!!
It helps that they are based less than 80 miles from me but I was very happy with the bits I got
All the parts are crisply and cleanly cut and everything fitted perfectly. _________________ Wanted - OG 50 split bug door panels, brown mats and old running boards |
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2367 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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beetleseb wrote: |
I have used autocraft on my bus and its great!!
It helps that they are based less than 80 miles from me but I was very happy with the bits I got
All the parts are crisply and cleanly cut and everything fitted perfectly. |
Thanks, it would be great if there was a direct comparison or someone happened to have purchased some of each and could look at them side by side. |
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krusher Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2002 Posts: 7652 Location: europe
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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I have used both many times
I have ranked them like this before
NOS 10
autocraft 9
classic fab 7-9
Anything that autocraft makes is equiverlant or better than classic fab.
Wolfberg west now also make excellent front and cargo floors and a very good looking cargo rocker, which I have in the shop but have yet to fit. (but it has crisper corners that even the good autocraft.) _________________ (06:31:07) RoachGhia: "i drink dick way too fast" |
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2367 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:54 am Post subject: |
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krusher wrote: |
I have used both many times
I have ranked them like this before
NOS 10
autocraft 9
classic fab 7-9
Anything that autocraft makes is equiverlant or better than classic fab.
Wolfberg west now also make excellent front and cargo floors and a very good looking cargo rocker, which I have in the shop but have yet to fit. (but it has crisper corners that even the good autocraft.) |
This is what I wanted to hear, I have seen several funky green panels, that were a little 'funked' up and needed to be returned. I was hoping autocraft might be a little better. I am also looking for good customer service. Have you been dealing with the new US supplier?
One could also wonder if the metal quality is different depending on what continent the product was sourced/made? |
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60sunroof Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 345 Location: INDY
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:15 am Post subject: |
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I need some bus replacement parts,where is Autocraft out of?
not the engine guys is it? |
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bubba Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 2532 Location: Florida
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Autocraft can not keep up with production , also they are very limited on what they sell. Autocraft is NOT sold in the USA...and also the price of parts is almost double the price of Klassicfab. This has been a sore spot for the UK guys for a long time.... Yes, the parts Autocraft makes are super nice.... clean and crisp like stated above..... but.... do they make complete A pilers specific to your year bus? Do they make frame sections? do they make 1950 vertical tire Barndoor doglegs? Sorry , I'm bias on the other end of this battle... Klassicfab worked with me to build the right parts for my 1950 kombi to make it as correct as it came from the factory! I would love to see some of these guys who have completely rebuilt some of these barndoors with only the roof remaining with Auocraft as the only supplier!!! |
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volksaddict Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2003 Posts: 1728
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:46 am Post subject: |
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x2.
Klassicfab's availability of year and model specific parts cannot be matched. They make pieces that no one else will ever make. |
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Slow Steve Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2008 Posts: 715 Location: Midlothian, VA
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:57 am Post subject: |
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I have bought the funky green stuff before and have to say that I have no complaints, only compliments. I bought my parts directly from Klassicfab via email. There was a small mixup, but was quickly corrected by Gerson himself. Quality of parts were great (maybe a little trimming here and there.. no biggie at all) and customer service was top notch; quick responses to emails, fast shipping and correction to minor mixup. My 2 cents. _________________ BarryL wrote:
100 years from now when they have reverse atom regeneration attractor technology perfected and in a hand held back yard mechanic's price range, someone will dig up this thread and go, "What were those guys thinking? The whole thing was all there just waiting to be re-atomized. Funny how easily they cut them up back then."
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widehatch Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2007 Posts: 776 Location: Memphis, TN aka The Armpit of the South
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: |
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a comparison of bus rockers. i pulled the pics and comments from a different VW forum
one original and 3 aftermatket. most of you can guess which one is which by the colors
OG cargo rocker profile
The Schofield was of correct gauge but all dimensions were off by 1/8" plus the bend radius's just sucked ass
WW was 1/8" short to the gasket surface plus .009" too thin a gauge metal...sucks balls cuz it was a great looking part.
KF was crappy too but was limited to the top bend just not being broken over quite enough. Other cosmetic flaws were hammered out.
After 3.5 hours tonight I got an acceptable cargo rocker ready to start fitting
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oldskool69 Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2004 Posts: 44 Location: DFW
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:52 am Post subject: |
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bubba wrote: |
Autocraft is NOT sold in the USA...and also the price of parts is almost double the price of Klassicfab. |
There is a US supplier now, all the parts ive looked at are cheaper than klassicfab. _________________ 60 single cab |
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widehatch Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2007 Posts: 776 Location: Memphis, TN aka The Armpit of the South
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:03 am Post subject: |
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oldskool69 wrote: |
bubba wrote: |
Autocraft is NOT sold in the USA...and also the price of parts is almost double the price of Klassicfab. |
There is a US supplier now, all the parts ive looked at are cheaper than klassicfab. |
if there is a supplier in the USA then who is it??? _________________ Missouri Micros |
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VWsArent4Hippies Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2005 Posts: 3081 Location: The Bull City
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:13 am Post subject: |
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widehatch wrote: |
oldskool69 wrote: |
bubba wrote: |
Autocraft is NOT sold in the USA...and also the price of parts is almost double the price of Klassicfab. |
There is a US supplier now, all the parts ive looked at are cheaper than klassicfab. |
if there is a supplier in the USA then who is it??? |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=vintage-wagen
All of the prices look good too. |
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purplepeopleeater Samba Member
Joined: July 23, 2005 Posts: 3117 Location: E. Washington
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Interesting that autocraft is selling in the US...If I recall they are making repair panels for other VW's as well and are some of the best if not the only supplier.
Now KF needs to start poppin' panels for vanagons. |
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krusher Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2002 Posts: 7652 Location: europe
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:19 am Post subject: |
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buseric wrote: |
krusher wrote: |
I have used both many times
I have ranked them like this before
NOS 10
autocraft 9
classic fab 7-9
Anything that autocraft makes is equiverlant or better than classic fab.
Wolfberg west now also make excellent front and cargo floors and a very good looking cargo rocker, which I have in the shop but have yet to fit. (but it has crisper corners that even the good autocraft.) |
This is what I wanted to hear, I have seen several funky green panels, that were a little 'funked' up and needed to be returned. I was hoping autocraft might be a little better. I am also looking for good customer service. Have you been dealing with the new US supplier?
One could also wonder if the metal quality is different depending on what continent the product was sourced/made? |
No, i;m in the uk, i just call up the guys and they have stuff instock to me the day after. _________________ (06:31:07) RoachGhia: "i drink dick way too fast" |
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Robertjm Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2011 Posts: 261 Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:40 am Post subject: |
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I just called the number on the Vintage Volkswagen website. Honestly sounded like I was talking to Peggy from the Discover commercial!!
Anyways, he's in the process of getting the new website up and running, which should be a couple of months. Till then he suggested using the Auto Craft Enginnering UK website as reference for parts. Then I can call them with the info.
He said they are bringing in about 10-20% of the catalog to begin with, adding the remainder little by little. If they don't have what you want in stock they will special order it from the UK, which he estimated would take up to three weeks.
My question is this. I need to get the window sill section under the right window. Do I get one if Gerson's green wonders now, or do I wait and order an autocraft one a bit later?
Thoughts?
Robert _________________ 1967 VW Double Cab Pickup
2003 Mercedes ML-500
1995 Saab 900SE Turbo Convertible (Crossed over into Valhalla April 2014)
1972 VW Squareback (Autobahn in the Sky - July 1987) |
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LJay Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2007 Posts: 599 Location: Arbroath,Scotland
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:50 am Post subject: |
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bubba wrote: |
Autocraft can not keep up with production , also they are very limited on what they sell. Autocraft is NOT sold in the USA...and also the price of parts is almost double the price of Klassicfab. This has been a sore spot for the UK guys for a long time.... Yes, the parts Autocraft makes are super nice.... clean and crisp like stated above..... but.... do they make complete A pilers specific to your year bus? Do they make frame sections? do they make 1950 vertical tire Barndoor doglegs? Sorry , I'm bias on the other end of this battle... Klassicfab worked with me to build the right parts for my 1950 kombi to make it as correct as it came from the factory! I would love to see some of these guys who have completely rebuilt some of these barndoors with only the roof remaining with Auocraft as the only supplier!!! |
I have to say i have found this to be the complete opposite here in the UK as the autocraft stuff is cheaper here because of no shipping/taxes but can expect that due to both companies location
as for AC not being able to keep up?maybe?but it 6-12months for the KF stuff to be made/arrive here and Vw heritage told me 2 weeks ago that they wont be getting anymore KF panels as its too much bother!which is a shame
i think the AC stuff is sharper but there panel range is limited,KF range is outstanding,maybe there panels have more of a hand made look but are still very good and heaps of buses have gerson to thank for there life which you can never knock
maybe the best thing to do is to buy some of both? [/list] _________________ 1962 Turkis Westfalia so34.
My build thread.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=742279 |
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14686 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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widehatch wrote: |
a comparison of bus rockers. i pulled the pics and comments from a different VW forum
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I wish Autocraft had been in that comparison.
widehatch wrote: |
After 3.5 hours tonight I got an acceptable cargo rocker ready to start fitting
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I made a jig for bending mine.
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bubba Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 2532 Location: Florida
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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VWsArent4Hippies wrote: |
widehatch wrote: |
oldskool69 wrote: |
bubba wrote: |
Autocraft is NOT sold in the USA...and also the price of parts is almost double the price of Klassicfab. |
There is a US supplier now, all the parts ive looked at are cheaper than klassicfab. |
if there is a supplier in the USA then who is it??? |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=vintage-wagen
All of the prices look good too. |
Is this there total line of parts they make? Do they only make the outside skin of the dogleg? or do they make it complete? Don't get me wrong Autocraft makes great parts....for the pieces they make.. Shipping is the killer to the UK... |
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bubba Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 2532 Location: Florida
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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widehatch wrote: |
a comparison of bus rockers. i pulled the pics and comments from a different VW forum
one original and 3 aftermatket. most of you can guess which one is which by the colors
OG cargo rocker profile
The Schofield was of correct gauge but all dimensions were off by 1/8" plus the bend radius's just sucked ass
WW was 1/8" short to the gasket surface plus .009" too thin a gauge metal...sucks balls cuz it was a great looking part.
KF was crappy too but was limited to the top bend just not being broken over quite enough. Other cosmetic flaws were hammered out.
After 3.5 hours tonight I got an acceptable cargo rocker ready to start fitting
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Funny that the one with the most correct end side profile is the crappiest after it is installed. There is a big sucking in bow in the profile right in the middle of the cargo doors on every WWW cargo rocker i have ever seen installed. |
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