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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:28 pm    Post subject: TheRealMacGyvers 1977 Restore On A Budget Thread Reply with quote

I officially started restoring yesterday (instead of disassembling and removing rot) so I figured I should start my own restore thread to document my progress. I bought a '77 and a '79 Bay Window for $600. from my brother and that's where my nightmare began! The '79 now has a Florida title and will have to wait until the '77 is complete before it get's my attention. It will also serve as a model for reassembly.

So, my plan is to weld as much new metal as possible without breaking the bank and do the best I can with everything else. I am working under a tarp-carport on a concrete pad in my backyard, so my working conditions are not ideal. But this is what I have to work with.

I have to thank Grandpa Pete for stopping over and really kick starting the process and giving me some direction.

I started on the passenger side front floor area and a small spot of rot on the rear of the wheel well that poked through into the lower side cargo door track. I am wire wheeling rust, then phospho, then welding metal in from the backside (when possible), and then grind, primer, paint (both with rattle can), filler will be added over primer when needed.

So here are some pics of my weekend work, keep in mind I am a total newbie with welding, so my welds are a bit rough.

This is how the area I worked on looked when I brought it home:
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Then after some clean-up:
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I know this looks rough, but no one will see it:
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Here is a hole on the backside of the wheel well:
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Cut a patch:
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Clamp it in:
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Weld it in:
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I know someone will freak out on me (I don't care btw) but I am using liquid nail as a seam sealer where you won't see. This is what it looked like in the end.
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And the section done (for now)
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I also sand blasted the lower side door track and phospho'd for tomorrow:
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The dogleg weld/repair here needs a little more grinding, but this is better than a hole
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So, that's about 10 hours of work, just getting started.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're off & running . . . I'll follow this thread. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe someone would do all of that work and then use liquid nails as seam sealer. Come on man. Seam sealer isn't expensive. Don't destroy all of the good work you've done with shitty products at the end.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't believe someone would do all of that work and then use liquid nails as seam sealer. Come on man. Seam sealer isn't expensive. Don't destroy all of the good work you've done with shitty products at the end.


Ya, for once I have to agree with VDT. Seems a waste, and you are putting in a lot of effort. Make it count. If you can't get a perfect bead to cover your seam, buy a small, stiff artists brush and then feather the bead. Some seam sealers are more rubbery than others, and they can offer flexibility that Tough as Nails can't.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't believe someone would do all of that work and then use liquid nails as seam sealer. Come on man. Seam sealer isn't expensive. Don't destroy all of the good work you've done with shitty products at the end.


Agreed. Seam Sealer, 12 oz; Gray only $13 bucks at Napa.

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Other than that, nice work going with welding metal instead of just slapping bondo over the missing metal. Lets see some pictures of the complete bus!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

remember...how do you eat an elephant or fix a bus........one peice at a time..glad to help....... keep us posted...and smooth off the "seam sealer" before it dries..................anyone in savannah need help/?.....I'll be there for a week
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry about it. it's not so bad. I hope you removed the old metal in that patch section in the wheel well though.

What kind of welder are you using? It just strikes me as a little odd that you are just tacking the metal in place instead of seam welding it.
To be honest I'm hopeless with a MIG, but I get the job done eventually.
Can't speak for you but I'm not on a steak and champagne budget for what I'm doing. It's closer to roadkill and swamp water but where there's a will there's a way so keep going, think things through before you do them and you should be fine.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:21 am    Post subject: body repair Reply with quote

@ McGyver:.....don't worry about what all the critics say about how you repair your own vehicle.....remember:...you have to please NOBODY but yourself....it's great that you are doing things yourself and your own way....someone will always criticize another's work and efforts....just keep up the good work and to hell with the critics !!!....i'm always asked when am i going to paint my vehicle...i always tell them that when the vehicle's title is in their hands (for the right price,of course), then they will be free to paint it themselves whatever color they want !!!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: body repair Reply with quote

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@ McGyver:.....don't worry about what all the critics say about how you repair your own vehicle.....remember:...you have to please NOBODY but yourself....it's great that you are doing things yourself and your own way....someone will always criticize another's work and efforts....just keep up the good work and to hell with the critics !!!....i'm always asked when am i going to paint my vehicle...i always tell them that when the vehicle's title is in their hands (for the right price,of course), then they will be free to paint it themselves whatever color they want !!!


Nonsense. I didn't see a word of criticism in any of the above posts. What I saw was constructive feedback. You are right, he has only to please himself; hopefully he will continue to be pleased when his work begins to fail after it's first winter. If a person doesn't want honest feedback, or criticism as you call it, they shouldn't hang there ass out in a public forum for the world to see.

Realmcgyver: I hope your resto goes well, and you need to believe that people here want to help, seeing as you are putting in so much effort.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think of it this way. Do it the best you can now, or do it twice. When I think of things that way, especially things that suck real bad, it always makes me want to pay a little more for a better part or go the extra step. I hate having to do anything over.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure that the liquid nail is better than the original stuff they used in '77. The factory job isn't exactly pretty either. We aren't talking about something you will ever see. I will see about buying a tube anyhow, but I have a case of liquid nail just waiting to be used. Remember all I'm trying to do is keep water from getting in between the metal around the welds. Thanks though. Hopefully I'll update by the weekend.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Liquid Nails holds the rust particles together Smile You first have to have a bus to seal the seams.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get a polyurethane construction cement for not too much more than the cost of plain Jane Liquid Nails. It bond tenaciously and should last a good long time.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I used for the seam sealer and it wasn't that expensive –maybe around $15.00. Def. worth the extra $10.00:
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http://3mcollision.com/3m-fast-n-firm-seam-sealer-08505.html
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I personally like seeing alternative/cheap/different methods concerning any type of bus project...not everybody has the cash, time or proper facilities to do everything the "right" way...I would actually like to see more of this type of thing, with follow up to how successful a method is...so please keep us updated.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm the one who told him to use the liquid nails....I got my first restoration trophy in 1982.... the stuff works fine and will last as long as the bus...lets move on.....positive feedback anyone????......encouragement anyone?????...................stuck in hotel in savannah/anyone know the savannah vw sceene?pm me with any info please Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha ha. Yep I painted over it today and I dare anyone to notice it! Now if I could figure out how to get it off my fingers! (joking; I used gloves!)
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Rodmullet wrote:
I personally like seeing alternative/cheap/different methods concerning any type of bus project...not everybody has the cash, time or proper facilities to do everything the "right" way...I would actually like to see more of this type of thing, with follow up to how successful a method is...so please keep us updated.

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ok. here is some 'alternative' repairs that turned this 69 into a parts bus

who needs a window seal when you have caulk?

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rocker panels? pfft. i have rubber roofing membrane. and some wood. yes, wood and some sort of construction adhesive

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not ripping on the o/p but who the hell in their right mind would do such a half assed repair? the same people that bitch about the cost of a soild bus usually. or, the people that want way to much for their 'repaired' bus and wonder why it's in the piss and moan thread. here is a nice shot of 'alternative repair' getting ready for the crusher

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Rodmullet wrote:
I personally like seeing alternative/cheap/different methods concerning any type of bus project...not everybody has the cash, time or proper facilities to do everything the "right" way...I would actually like to see more of this type of thing, with follow up to how successful a method is...so please keep us updated.

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ok. here is some 'alternative' repairs that turned this 69 into a parts bus

who needs a window seal when you have caulk?

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


rocker panels? pfft. i have rubber roofing membrane. and some wood. yes, wood and some sort of construction adhesive

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


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not ripping on the o/p but who the hell in their right mind would do such a half assed repair? the same people that bitch about the cost of a soild bus usually. or, the people that want way to much for their 'repaired' bus and wonder why it's in the piss and moan thread. here is a nice shot of 'alternative repair' getting ready for the crusher

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Yup. Looking good, and lasting good are not necessarily the same thing. The auto industry uses what they use because they know a thing or two about their business. "Fuel injection? Rip it out and put in some carbs. Damn Germans, over engineering everything."
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