Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank
Forum Index -> Vanagon Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
thomast
Samba Member


Joined: October 02, 2006
Posts: 240

thomast is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:19 am    Post subject: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

I have a new sending unit in my 86 Syncro w/SVX and since the install, when I fill the tank, it only reads 1/2 full. I just completed a 2000+ mile trip and it was consistent the entire trip. I thought maybe after a few fills it would correct itself (wishful thinking!). Any ideas what might be the issue?

Thanks!
_________________
1986 Westy Syncro SVX
1970 Bay Window
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
4Gears4Tires
Samba Member


Joined: October 08, 2018
Posts: 4185
Location: MD
4Gears4Tires is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

The sender is the issue. I have the same problem. I have the old sender too, but that job is a PITA so I'm just gonna tolerate my wonky gas gauge and try to remember to use the trip odometer for double checking.
_________________
'87 Syncro Ferric Oxyhydroxide Superleggera Edition
'85 Westy Sciuridae Domus Edition
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
MarkWard
Samba Member


Joined: February 09, 2005
Posts: 18748
Location: Retired South Florida
MarkWard is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

Did you buy the aftermarket sender or the VDO one? GW accidentally sent me the aftermarket one and while it fit, it was completely wrong on the sweep. I contacted GW and they noticed their mistake and sent me the VDO OE one.

Fortunately I had the tank out and was able to watch the sender float move through it's range.

It would be difficult, but you may have somehow looped the return hose over the float.

Check the orientation too. There are photos in the gallery showing the correct orientation. I believe the return tube is at about 2 o'clock. Hope that is of some help.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
dschaftlein
Samba Member


Joined: October 11, 2016
Posts: 106

dschaftlein is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:48 am    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

I recently installed an aftermarket sending unit from Cip1. It Doesn't work at all.

I still need to find the time to troubleshoot.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
djkeev
Samba Moderator


Joined: September 30, 2007
Posts: 32988
Location: Reading Pennsylvania
djkeev is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

If full reads 1/2
Is 1/2 tank reading 1/4?
Is 1/4 tank reading 1/8?

If so, I wonder if there is a resistor or something you could wire in to correct the information being sent to the gauge?

Dave
_________________
Stop Dead Photo Links how to post photos

Ghia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392473

Vanagon
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6315537#6315537

Beetle
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482968&highlight=74+super+vert
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
thomast
Samba Member


Joined: October 02, 2006
Posts: 240

thomast is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. It's an aftermarket sender.

djkeev - From a full tank (reading 1/2), the gas gauge travels down to empty and sits on empty for an additional 100+- miles. I never ran out, but would fill up usually putting in about 16 gallons. I think the tank is just over 18 gallons.

Guess I'll go read all the remove/install sending units without removing the tank threads...
_________________
1986 Westy Syncro SVX
1970 Bay Window
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Zeitgeist 13
Samba Member


Joined: March 05, 2009
Posts: 12167
Location: Port Manteau
Zeitgeist 13 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

D'oh, I recently replaced a Syncro fuel sender with an aftermarket unit from GW, and it didn't fix the dead gauge issue. It needed to be replaced due to rust, but I assumed it would also fix the inop situation. Wrong assumption, which might be compounded by an iffy unit. FML
_________________
Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
MarkWard
Samba Member


Joined: February 09, 2005
Posts: 18748
Location: Retired South Florida
MarkWard is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

If you unplug the sensor with the key on, jump the sensor connector and the gauge should peg full. There is a thread about gauge testing without the factory tool using specified resistance. Hard to add links on my cell phone.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Bassyaks
Samba Member


Joined: October 06, 2010
Posts: 1140
Location: S.E. Connetitcut
Bassyaks is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

I still have 8 gallons once the needle reaches "E" , the job sucks so I live with it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
outwesty
Samba Member


Joined: June 06, 2006
Posts: 1078
Location: Northern Sierras
outwesty is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

The JP aftermarket syncro sending units are garbage. I made the mistake of installing one when I couldn't get the VDO one. Tschroeder0 had the connector on his break off while on a trip which caused a fuel leak and he had to JB weld it on to get home. Getting them to read correctly is another story. Hook it up to your meter. The range will be far off from the VDO one.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Zeitgeist 13
Samba Member


Joined: March 05, 2009
Posts: 12167
Location: Port Manteau
Zeitgeist 13 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

MarkWard wrote:
If you unplug the sensor with the key on, jump the sensor connector and the gauge should peg full. There is a thread about gauge testing without the factory tool using specified resistance. Hard to add links on my cell phone.


I bought a variable resistance tool just for that task, based on a recommendation in that thread. I'm just pissed that I'm fighting this fix on two fronts now, when I paid good money to resolve one front. Why does GW consistently do this? They still sell Meyle coolant reservoirs, when they know the units are a ticking timebomb
_________________
Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
4Gears4Tires
Samba Member


Joined: October 08, 2018
Posts: 4185
Location: MD
4Gears4Tires is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

Bassyaks wrote:
I still have 8 gallons once the needle reaches "E" , the job sucks so I live with it.


Haha exactly. I know it doesn't read right but after the needle sits in E for awhile I'll get too anxious about it and fill up. Always ends up being 12.xx gallons.
_________________
'87 Syncro Ferric Oxyhydroxide Superleggera Edition
'85 Westy Sciuridae Domus Edition
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
MarkWard
Samba Member


Joined: February 09, 2005
Posts: 18748
Location: Retired South Florida
MarkWard is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:42 am    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

I get that it's a pain to deal with. For those that might come across this thread. Aside from my tip above to check for full sweep of the fuel gauge, you can take your new sender out of the box and plug it into the van. Work the float across the range and the gauge should full sweep.

The problem I ran into with the aftermarket sender was that the orientation was such that installed the float was not square to the top and the bottom of the tank. I had the tank out and could look in the filler neck hole with a flashlight and see the sweep was wrong. I could have "straightened" it with minor effort I believe, but at the time I thought I had purchased the the VDO one.

So, it's not that the aftermarket sender won't work, but might need some massaging assuming the manual test of it is good. All to often aftermarket parts seem to need massaging. The details are the tolerances. Exact tolerances cost more time. I don't fault a reseller. Unless customers let them know what is going on, how would they know? It just sucks that the syncro is assembled at the factory around the fuel tank.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
dgbeatty
Samba Member


Joined: October 26, 2006
Posts: 702
Location: Sacramento
dgbeatty is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

There is a very similiar LOOKING sender from another VW model that fits just fine. Trouble is the resistance readings when operated are reversed. Carefully study the part number and test the sender before installing one.
_________________
Schau in das Buch
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
ALIKA T3
Samba Member


Joined: July 30, 2009
Posts: 7191
Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
ALIKA T3 is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:42 pm    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

dgbeatty wrote:
There is a very similiar LOOKING sender from another VW model that fits just fine. Trouble is the resistance readings when operated are reversed. Carefully study the part number and test the sender before installing one.


Back when the Syncro sender was almost NLA. I looked at similar VDO units. The early Vanagon 2WD ( NLA, all metal) are very close as well as the Bay window units. It would take a lot of work to transfer it on the Syncro particular plate though...
_________________
Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
holdthewind2
Samba Member


Joined: October 17, 2015
Posts: 86
Location: The Gorge
holdthewind2 is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:19 pm    Post subject: Re: New Syncro Sending Unit - Only reading 1/2 full on a full tank Reply with quote

MarkWard wrote:
It just sucks that the syncro is assembled at the factory around the fuel tank.
...

that is not only funny, i think it must be true
_________________
65 deluxe
89 Syncro Westfalia
90 Tristar Syncro
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Vanagon All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2024, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB
Links to eBay or other vendor sites may be affiliate links where the site receives compensation.