Van Cafe front big brake kit - looking for reviews

[Franklinstower]

I want to know how these new kits they are offering perform. The site states they use Audi ATE single piston calipers and 288mm Audi Rotors.
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_760_629/big_brake_kit..html

Can anyone that has this kit tell me how they like it and how much it improves the braking? I am looking for some more stopping power for my 16" wheels.

thanks,

Paul
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'89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
'75 Miami Blue Sunroof FI Standard Bug
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[GWTWTLW]

I bought their big brake kit in May - This looks to be the same one. For me, it made a huge difference in braking. I didn't notice a big difference in daily city driving but fully loaded hill driving in the desert in June, the difference was night and day. we weighed in at about 6000 lbs and we didn't experience any fading in the brakes even in the extreme heat. I was very impressed. Our old stock brakes would fade very quickly in those circumstances.
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[madspaniard]

[MarkWard]

Looks like a complete kit. Not cheap, but it looks like it is based on off the shelf parts. Are the hubs machine downed front discs? I have an earlier chassis, so they won't fit. I was thinking of upgrading my pad compound to one with more bite. We don't have many steep grades in Florida.

[WestyBob]

[buildyourown]

I'm doing this right now. Only, I'm making my own brackets as per http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=331312

$100ea for new loaded G60 calipers, $68 for 312mm rotors, $20 SS brake lines.

$376 total for 4 pot calipers and bigger rotors. 16" wheel only though.


I got the DXF from BlackDogVan to make the adapters. If you want me to make you a set while I'm doing mine, I can.
(I work for good beer)

[HeftySmurf]

I have it on my van and its a big differnce but a super tight fit on 15" rims, but it works
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-Lorenzo
90 GL w/ Bostig

[Franklinstower]

Cool,
thanks for the replys. I am not going to buy the VC kit but I am working with another user to machine the hubs, make the brackets etc. And then buy the calipers and rotors so it should by about $300 total. Just wanted to make sure the ATE Single Piston Caliper was up to the task and really improved the braking. The around town thing is not where I was looking for improvement, the loaded camping and need to stop is when I want to know that I can stop.

Paul
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'89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
'75 Miami Blue Sunroof FI Standard Bug
YITB

[a914622]

yep
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[vermonterbpa]

Hey Heftysmurf...which 15" rims are you running? Just wondering, I buying some 15" SA steelies.
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'73 Squareback
'63 Sunroof Sedan
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'57 sedan...may look at the pieces forever...

[iceracer]

I may be wrong but I think they don't work on the 15in steelies. Heftysmurf: don't you have the 15in steelies?
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[pete000]

Expensive, but I am worth it...
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[insyncro]

I have this Van Cafe front setup on a Syncro.
It is OK.
The Girling 60 based front kits have dual pistons and seem to perform better for me. I am running a larger diameter rotor with the Girling setups.

FYI, check to see if you 15s will fit with the VC kit bfore you buy.
I only run 16s when using any "big brake" front kits.

dylan

[markz2004]

Is there a huge difference between the Van Cafe kit and the Small Car kit?

In comparing them, they seem very similar to me.

Thanks,
Mark
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87 Westy, 250k GW 2.4 - 2.0 , 16" wheels

[thummmper]

the v cafe kit is 900.00+ and the same kit from eurospec is 700.00+. my vcafe rotore came in eurospec boxes. the calipers bolt right on wothout the need for adapters. the eurospec kit throws in the fluid hoses also.
my main complaint is that the rotors dont register on center to the hubs vc supplied. so when I go left my right rotor rubs the inside of the caliper. the material missing from the hub, or the space between the hub and rotor on center is just small enough to be difficult to machine any type of ring to eliminate the clown-car effect my rotors are having. [or twilight zone effect.] yet another quality control problem related to the vanagon. makes me fall out of love a little.
the pedal feels nicer though.--dusty pads

[rockfish]

I am very happy with the VC brakes. I echo the other comments about daily driving - no difference. But driving a fully loaded Westy, there is a huge difference - especially coming off steep mountain grades e.g., the Grapevine on I-5, Hwy-17 in either direction or the Cuesta Grade north of SB.

I've been told that the VC brake kit is equivalent to a Ford F150 brake set. As most of us already know - you have to remember that we do not have ABS braking systems, so you need to drive & brake like it was 1989!

I also like the fact that many of the VC brake parts (such as pads) can be found through a local Audi dealership or FLAPS.
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[aswah]

I got those too! They are great! My one complaint is that I have had to resurface the rotors twice in the last year. The last time, just a few days ago, the shop where I take my bus in Arcata said the rotors were made with lower quality metal and there are better brake pads. When I get some extra cash and/or need new rotors and brake pads I am gonna switch to the better Audi A4 parts.

ASWAH
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[climberjohn]

I have LOTS of brake dust with my brannew Van CAfe big brake kit. Other than that, I like them just fine.
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Know your limits. Exceed them often.

[Dogpilot]

Like the evil Saruman, I live on top of a very high mountain, so brakes on the Syncro Westy get worked out with a high gravity gradient, and lower wind resistance from the thin air up here. The OG brakes where barely up to the task and would start to fade if you didn't pump them and use the tranny to engine brake. So you either had to creep down the hill or race down it. The Van Café did exactly what it said it would do, it increased the ability of the brakes to take heat. Mine is indeed more dust prone, but with all the cinder being spread due to all the snow, who can tell (Flagstaff got the second highest snowfall this year, after Valdez, Alaska and more than Buffalo!).

Mine was not $900, but rather $575 when I got it, and mine did include the hoses as well when I purchased it, then again I got mine a few years ago, when it was first offered. The kit took just over an hour to install and a bit of time to bleed the system again. It has been trouble free and frankly the van brakes like most other cars now. I no longer feel I need an anchor and 100' of line to stop. The Smallcar kit, if it is like the rear one I got, might not be a super direct bolt on. Mine had issues. It works fine now. It would seem, from other's comments, my rear e-brake works well. Others seem to have issues.

The Van Café kit is well thought out and had clear instructions that are easy to follow. Smallcar had none to speak of. Other's experiences may vary.
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[dogcoves]

The new VC brake kit I bought is so loud when you hit street cracks and potholes. Neither my mechanic nor my firend who works on new VWs can figure out why the rattle so much. They look installed correctly--the spring looks weaker than the older version, so it may be the spring. You can here them banging in my video. They work great but if you have a wife and kids like me they won't be riding with you anymore.

http://youtu.be/AafZp4mEQtA
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