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Gizmoman
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 Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:41 pm Post subject: Any aftermarket cruse control suggestions - AAZ in Vanagon? |
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I figure while I'm running wires, adding gauges and whatnot, a cruse control would be nice for long trips (hope to have many).
Does anyone have some recommendations?
The engine is a 1.9 AAZ, the vehicle is an 82 Vanagon/Westy.
Custom bracketry is no problem, just want something that works well.
Thanks,
Jim
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Zeitgeist 13
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| Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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How about retrofitting the late model stock cruise system, which works exceptionally well.
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Gizmoman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:48 am Post subject: |
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That would be perfect but I've been to the local wrecking yards and everything has been picked clean.
"Back in the day" it was easy to find them - now, not so much.
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For the price the Go Westy one works well. Even with the stock switch controlling it. It takes a bit of adjusting to get it dialed in correctly. The one I helped install worked fairly well but could have used some more adjusting to get it perfect.
The vanagon I'm picking up doesn't have cruise in it and this will be one of the first things I'll be installing. |
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Gizmoman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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For the price the Go Westy one works well. Even with the stock switch controlling it. It takes a bit of adjusting to get it dialed in correctly. The one I helped install worked fairly well but could have used some more adjusting to get it perfect.
The vanagon I'm picking up doesn't have cruise in it and this will be one of the first things I'll be installing. |
Yea, I checked out the GW one - looks simple.
Any idea of how it would do on a diesel?
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
| How about retrofitting the late model stock cruise system, which works exceptionally well. |
Absolutely love the action of the factory system.
I have been buying up all of the good used and still new parts that I can find.
Sorry for that.
I have not had issue including them with conversions I do. |
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Zeitgeist 13
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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The T3 cruise system has so far been the most trouble-free factory system I've ever encountered. Vacuum switches on the brake/clutch pedals are the only point sources of issue I've experienced.
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| Gizmoman wrote: |
| Any idea of how it would do on a diesel? |
Your AAZ won't be able to give your cruise control any info about engine speed, as it lacks a coil, of course. It's highly unlikely that either GoWesty or OEM cruise units would be able to interpret the "W" signal from your alternator, which is probably what drives your diesel tach (if equipped).
I'm not sure about the GoWesty or OEM cruise on a diesel, but the old Audiovox cruise control would work ok with no tach sensor, as long as it had road speed input from either the speedometer or from magnets mounted on an axle. Unfortunately that thing went out of production for a while, and when it came back into production it was priced double IIRC.
Have a look here, with all the correct dip switch settings, should you pursue this route.
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=101.0 |
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Zeitgeist 13
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OEM VW cruise speed signal is derived from a hall sender in the speedo from the cable. So, it's agnostic as to which engine is providing the motivation.
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Ah, ok, two ways to skin the same cat.
So if I understand your point, the Audiovox has only one pedal switch input and also a tach input (ie. brake pedal switch only). But the VW has no tach input and two pedal switches instead (ie. both brake and clutch pedal switches).
Audiovox just taps the brake light circuit, so it is 1-size-fits-all without needing to design a mechanical switch for the inumerable clutch pedals on which the unit might be mounted. Hence the RPM-sensitive kill mechanism in its software. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:15 am Post subject: |
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There's no tach signal, and the brake/clutch switches are just used to break the circuit and turn off the cruise. It's an ingeniously simple system. I will be using it on my mTDI build.
My old '80 van had an Audiovox cruise system, but it didn't work. I think they're prone to losing their speed signals, which are derived from magnets glued to one of the CV joints. Maybe the newer versions are set up differently now, but I wasn't too impressed the kludgey design.
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I've had the Audiovox system on our Westy for 25 years w/o a problem -- prior to that I had the same unit on several other vehicles and moved it when I got rid of the cars (one was even a VW diesel pickup).
Possibly a bit fussy to set up as I use the magnets and the pickup needs to be adjusted very close but once done it is reliable and the sensitivity can be dialed in quite precisely. |
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Gizmoman
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The GW cruise page says "This GoWesty Cruise Control Kit is designed specifically for the Vanagon application. It will fit any year* Vanagon with any engine." http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=23793&category_id=&category_parent_id=
The asterisk denotes the speedometer cable must be the snap-in style (not screw-in) which mine is the former.
Based on that, it will work. Now I just need the courage to crack open my wallet. I would want the kit with the wireless steering wheel switch and my transmission is manual so the total is 400 + shipping! Thats a lot of dough just to let my right foot relax every now and then.
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The GW cruise page says "This GoWesty Cruise Control Kit is designed specifically for the Vanagon application. It will fit any year* Vanagon with any engine." http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=23793&category_id=&category_parent_id=
The asterisk denotes the speedometer cable must be the snap-in style (not screw-in) which mine is the former.
Based on that, it will work. Now I just need the courage to crack open my wallet. I would want the kit with the wireless steering wheel switch and my transmission is manual so the total is 400 + shipping! Thats a lot of dough just to let my right foot relax every now and then. |
Another 100 bucks and I could upgrade the brakes - which would benefit my right foot as well. WTH*** - I'll just plop down 900 and let it atrophy 
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Another 100 bucks and I could upgrade the brakes - which would benefit my right foot as well. WTH*** - I'll just plop down 900 and let it atrophy |
that totally sounds like me... ha! |
Yeah, finding that "sweet spot" between an endless money vacuum and a barely running van is tough. Given the two (assuming 900 bucks is over the limits), I suppose the better brakes are "smarter" than the cruise.
I've had a few wheel clenching scenarios getting off the freeway with the small stock discs.
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| ...Based on that, it will work. Now I just need the courage to crack open my wallet. I would want the kit with the wireless steering wheel switch and my transmission is manual so the total is 400 + shipping! Thats a lot of dough just to let my right foot relax every now and then. |
There are cheaper alternatives. It's pretty old school (like our vans) but the Audiovox CCS100 was the ubiquitous aftermarket kit 20-30 years ago and is pretty effective.
With a quick look I see:
Reproductions of the original for $175.
Old uninstalled units in an auction or Buy-it-Now for a bit more.
Also this on Amazon (would need to 2 other kits shown to complete, total cost $268).
All of these will take some craftiness to fit up but can be made to work well. I have used a CCS100 for many decades and 100s of 1000s of miles.
BTW, I have never had a clutch cut-out switch -- just don't punch the clutch before the brake (I never do). |
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I forget the name now, but I put in one of those that is electronic rather than vacuum. worked very well even when climbing hills. maybe 8" years ago now and still ticking.
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