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Bliss13 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2009 Posts: 185 Location: Northridge, Ca
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:42 pm Post subject: '67 Subaru Powered Fastback (It's Alive!) |
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Picked this up today:
Pretty clean car. Could use better mounting.
I ended up with this whip because the PO was totally frustrated with it . The ground wire came off one day, car shut down, and has never started again. It's running a stand alone Stinger ECU which was checked and found to be good. The igniter has been changed, and it is getting fuel. But it is not getting any spark. So, I need to get the car running first, then clean up the fit and finish of the installation.
One of the first things I'm going to do is establish a good ground to the motor or trans. From what I've read the ground to the body most ACVWs have is not always sufficient for these applications. If that isn't the problem I'll start from scratch and rewire the Stinger. Looking at all this spaghetti makes me wish the car was still VW powered
If I still have no luck getting spark to the coil then I may go ahead and send it to Outfront Motorsports, who are the experts on these swaps. PO says they did the swap, but it doesn't look like it. Oh yeah, the motor: 2.5 liter Subaru EJ25
_________________ 1970 Sundial Camper
1973 SubaBeetle
1986 Vanagon Syncro
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jefftrish Samba Member
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Bliss13 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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I spent the evening reading everything on their site. It's how I found out about the grounding issue. I'll give myself a couple of weeks before I throw in the towel and tow it to them. _________________ 1970 Sundial Camper
1973 SubaBeetle
1986 Vanagon Syncro |
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supaninja Samba Member
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Bliss13 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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supaninja wrote: |
That sounds like a awesome little project, I bet it will be something simple. |
That's exactly what my engine builder told me when I was debating whether or not to get it. My fingers are crossed; can't wait to see how it runs _________________ 1970 Sundial Camper
1973 SubaBeetle
1986 Vanagon Syncro |
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vwfye Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Cool project! I'd love to have a suby swap. _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
LME "Little Giant Killer 3" |
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Nate M. Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2003 Posts: 1306 Location: Anacortes, WA U.S.A.
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Really cool project.
Whomever did the conversion looks from the photos like a hurried, rush job with very little attention to details. I would think twice about sending it back to them. . .
I would start from scratch with a wiring harness and di it right. It sounds like all the issues are wiring related. I wouldn't trust what the last guys did since it looks so sketchy.
I can't tell by the photos, but does it have a way for the radiator to exhaust the hot air??
Very cool project indeed!! _________________ Regards,
Nate M.
Squarsche build
Heavy Metal Affliction feature
For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!! |
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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The first thing I'd change would be that strapping holding the radiator! _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
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W1K1 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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The first thing I'd change would be that strapping holding the radiator! |
Plumbers strapping?? and these guys want to grow their business by word of mouth??
that wiring rats nest would be making me nuts
did they seal the bulkhead to the passenger compartment? _________________ http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php
1973 super
1965 squareback 1500E
1971 bay window westy- subi swap |
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jefftrish Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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I have a feeling the person he bought it off was trying to save money, and do most of the work himself. That is why he didn't take it back, probably to embarrassed
Just my thoughts,
Jeff |
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Bliss13 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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The car was done quite some time ago. I first looked at this car around 2 years ago, when it was running great. The wiring and mounting of the stinger is messy as a result of PO taking it out to have it tested, and never putting everything back right. There definitely needs to be some better mounting hardware for the radiator. Also, let me say that I don't know how much of this was done by Outfront Motorworks, and how much was done by the PO. He simply said they did the swap. I think it's obvious that a lot of this stuff was not done by a professional. _________________ 1970 Sundial Camper
1973 SubaBeetle
1986 Vanagon Syncro
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Bliss13 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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The first thing I'd change would be that strapping holding the radiator! |
did they seal the bulkhead to the passenger compartment? |
Nothing is sealed. That's another thing I'll have to remedy. I think i can improve the airflow through the radiator too. _________________ 1970 Sundial Camper
1973 SubaBeetle
1986 Vanagon Syncro
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vwfye Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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can you fit the radiator and fan over the stock air intake area where the bellows would have been? _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
LME "Little Giant Killer 3" |
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Bliss13 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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vwfye wrote: |
can you fit the radiator and fan over the stock air intake area where the bellows would have been? |
That's a thought. But if I was caught in traffic, I'd worry about the exhaust heat rising up to the radiator. Even though I don't like the plumbing running under both sides of the car, I believe those long metal pipes help dissipate a lot of the heat _________________ 1970 Sundial Camper
1973 SubaBeetle
1986 Vanagon Syncro
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vwfye Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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if you run puller fans, how is that different than running a fan in a front engine car in traffic? just a thought... _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
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Bliss13 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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vwfye wrote: |
if you run puller fans, how is that different than running a fan in a front engine car in traffic? just a thought... |
No, you make a good point. I'm going to look at it and see if the radiator and fans will fit. Definitely wouldn't hurt to give it a try. _________________ 1970 Sundial Camper
1973 SubaBeetle
1986 Vanagon Syncro |
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vwfye Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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No "give away" front radiator and if you have a shortened sump, no give away 'hang down'. could be very stealth! _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
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squaretobehip Samba Member
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Did you trade your notch for this? _________________ 1963 Notchback - Ruby Red
1963 Squareback - Pearl White
1965 Squareback - Baltic Blue
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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I can guarantee you that Outfront didn't mount the radiator. But it shouldn't be hard to improve upon |
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kooldub Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:40 am Post subject: |
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sweet "project"!! if you could post any pics of the whole set up, maybe how the hoses were run from the radiator to the engine, it would be nice to compare what others did and what not to do on my conversion.
thanks,
kris _________________ 64 Notchback
68 Fastaru
68 Camper
70 Squareback
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