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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 5501 Location: 1st Coast
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:15 am Post subject: Are 68-71 rear bumpers the same as 67? |
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Can anyone tell me what the difference is on a 68-71 rear bumper blade in comparison to a 67? They sure look the same.
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Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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Bulli Klinik Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: Bulli Klinik, Colorado Springs
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Inner bumper bracket mounts and the four holes for the Bay mounts. Those work great if you have rear Hurst bumpers. _________________ I've never met a Bus I didn't like.
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 5501 Location: 1st Coast
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Looks easier to weld the mounts in than to bang out a dent/pull.
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Inner bumper bracket mounts and the four holes for the Bay mounts. Those work great if you have rear Hurst bumpers. |
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Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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crofty Judas of the North
Joined: August 09, 2000 Posts: 19670 Location: Land of Whine and Phonies
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You see the holes, right? _________________ Your Vanagon sucks, Stop waving at me.
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Stocknazi Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:52 am Post subject: |
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i believe the bay bumpers are wider; i can't remember by how much, but it's roughly 1/2 -3/4 of an inch
my friend just put one on his split panel and it looked ok though
you could slice it down the middle and remove some material and reweld
weld up the holes and weld in some split bumper bracket mounts
fwiw front and rear split bumper bracket mounts are the same _________________ WANTED:
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srfndoc Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:54 am Post subject: |
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The extra holes for the Bay window brackets (as Crofty mentioned) and no holes for the overriders/towel bars. My bus actually came with an early bay rear bumper that somebody had welded in split bus brackets (soon for sale in ads).
If you don't want bumper guards/towel bars and you weld up those extra holes/weld in split brackets they would look identical. _________________ RPM=(MPH*336* (R&P*4th*1.26))/Tire Diameter in inches |
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20230 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Bay rear is definitely wider. I can get some pics in a litte while. _________________ nothing |
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srfndoc Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:27 am Post subject: |
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It must be really close as I had them both side by side and didn't notice a difference. I can measure them both tonight if you don't have them handy. _________________ RPM=(MPH*336* (R&P*4th*1.26))/Tire Diameter in inches |
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20230 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Bay bumper measures 65 1/4 between the tips, split is 63 1/2. These bumpers are fairly straight, but the numbers might be off just slightly due to them being old and slightly tweaked.
Bay on top to show length difference.
Left end.
Right end, flushed up to show the difference at the other end.
Split on top to show center shape difference.
Split on top to show corner difference.
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srfndoc Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Great photos Cory, that covers everything. The one they had on my Westy when I bought didn't look bad, it just had no holes to mount the towel bars and the way they mounted the bumper guards (using the existing holes) looked crappy.
While you are comparing the two, did you notice a difference in the weight? My split bumper seemed heavier and less flexible than the bay bumper. I guess it could be the bay bumper was aftermarket as well. _________________ RPM=(MPH*336* (R&P*4th*1.26))/Tire Diameter in inches |
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cdennisg Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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I did not notice a weight difference, other than the bay bumper being much heavier with the piece of angle iron welded to it. I can weigh another bay bumper I have that isn't so straight, and compare that weight to the split bumper. I have heard that pointed split bumpers are slightly lighter weight than slash bumpers, too. _________________ nothing |
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cdennisg Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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I just weighed two rear bumpers. Bay was a little over 16 pounds, split was nearly 18 pounds. Bay metal seemed like a just slightly lighter gauge. Split has more mounting hardware welded to it, too. Split had no over riders or uprights. _________________ nothing |
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srfndoc Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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I'd agree about the bay being a slightly thinner gauge as well. Thanks for the assist. _________________ RPM=(MPH*336* (R&P*4th*1.26))/Tire Diameter in inches |
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
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cdadaa Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2004 Posts: 85 Location: Boise, Idaho
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Are 68-71 rear bumpers the same as 67? |
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Reviving an old thread...Anyone know where I can get the split bumper bracket mounting plate to do this conversion? I have a great 68 bumper that I want to use on my 67. Any leads are appreciated.
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Malokin Martin Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2007 Posts: 3093 Location: E-burg
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:20 pm Post subject: Re: Are 68-71 rear bumpers the same as 67? |
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I’ve seen this done and it looks “off”. Just FYI before you go to all the trouble. |
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swharris Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2010 Posts: 496 Location: N. Orange County
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:03 am Post subject: Re: Are 68-71 rear bumpers the same as 67? |
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I assume this goes for Split vs. Bay truck bumpers. Extra points for a comparo of truck bumpers. Man I really need one for my '62 single cab. |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Are 68-71 rear bumpers the same as 67? |
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cdadaa wrote: |
Reviving an old thread...Anyone know where I can get the split bumper bracket mounting plate to do this conversion? I have a great 68 bumper that I want to use on my 67. Any leads are appreciated.
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Here are some options:
1) bolt the early bay bumper on with bay brackets. It will fit. Easy, done! Only bus nerds will know it's the wrong bumper
2) buy a new split bumper for the 67. Lot more repro stuff available now.
3) you can place a wanted ad. However, the bus nerds will still notice it looks off, and wonder why you went to the hassle to fit the plates and split brackets.
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I assume this goes for Split vs. Bay truck bumpers. Extra points for a comparo of truck bumpers. Man I really need one for my '62 single cab. |
At some point in 1960 they dropped the truck only bumper, so a 62 truck bumper is the same as a bus bumper of same year. There is a thread on this site with pics of 59/60 truck bumper and VIN of the change...
AFAIK a bay truck uses the same bumper as same year bus. |
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easy e Samba Member
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cdadaa Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2004 Posts: 85 Location: Boise, Idaho
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Are 68-71 rear bumpers the same as 67? |
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Here are some options:
1) bolt the early bay bumper on with bay brackets. It will fit. Easy, done! Only bus nerds will know it's the wrong bumper
2) buy a new split bumper for the 67. Lot more repro stuff available now.
3) you can place a wanted ad. However, the bus nerds will still notice it looks off, and wonder why you went to the hassle to fit the plates and split brackets. |
Clara, good suggestions... I'll look into the bay brackets. Ha, I've been accused of being "off" myself so they should work fine. Thanks everyone! _________________ 67 Bug Full Restoration
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