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r39o
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Randy, Randy, Randy, the FAQ is your friend:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=419907
ALWAYS look there first and also search.
I am fairly sure there is a tumbler decoder too, but not sure.
I know it is in my factory dealer only key book which I have not looked at or for in quite some time.
The tumblers just pull out with a small pair of pliers.
In the old days they would fall out.
Now the grease is old and sticky, and the locks worn so the tumblers may be slightly stuck.
Careful of the tiny springs.
Clear the parts and use some new Bosch grease.
PS I see you asked questions in the above thread a few years ago, too.........
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randywebb
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I looked in the FAQ and did a search also - thanks much, r39, 39, 39, but I did not find a thread that explained how to do the lock cylinders in detail.
As you must know I am aware of the door handle thread you linked as I posted on it.[/i]
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randywebb
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Thx for the Beetle thread. Is that quick & dirty procedure likely to compromise security much? It seems like it might make many other keys work in the lock... (?)
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?Waldo?
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| Swap tumbler wafers until the least are protruding as little as possible. It will not compromise security much if any. If you are concerned, then pick up a couple extra lock cylinders and steal the largest tumblers. Then grind them down so they are level with the cylinder on both sides. Only the one key will work that way. |
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syncrodoka
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randywebb
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Thx - I found that one too - I call it "the German thread" - anybody want to translate?
I guess the ignition cylinder has to work the same as the door cylinders (?)
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syncrodoka
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The basic knowledge applies to all the locks including the ignition. When you stick the key in all of the wafers lay flat to the cylinder. If any are higher or lower than the cylinder body it keeps the key from turning.
They are super easy once you take one apart and figure out how they function. I have been able to rekey anything on a vanagon with what little I learned from the door locks. |
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?Waldo?
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| If any are higher or lower than the cylinder body it keeps the key from turning. |
Actually if they are lower they don't prevent turning, just so long as they aren't protruding out the other side of the cylinder. |
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syncrodoka
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| Andrew A. Libby wrote: |
| just so long as they aren't protruding out the other side of the cylinder. |
yup, that is exactly what they do when they aren't flush to the cylinder body. There are wafers facing in both directions so any that are higher or lower than the body will prevent turning. |
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r39o
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Thx - I found that one too - I call it "the German thread" - anybody want to translate?
I guess the ignition cylinder has to work the same as the door cylinders (?) |
See: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=553954
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?Waldo?
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| syncrodoka wrote: |
| Andrew A. Libby wrote: |
| just so long as they aren't protruding out the other side of the cylinder. |
yup, that is exactly what they do when they aren't flush to the cylinder body. There are wafers facing in both directions so any that are higher or lower than the body will prevent turning. |
I understand fully how they work. I have re-keyed many locks. If ones that were protruding are ground down on the protruding side, often they are below the cylinder on the other side. That does *not* prevent the cylinder from turning. |
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randywebb
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Thanks for translating that "German thread"!
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syncrodoka
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| I understand fully how they work. I have re-keyed many locks. If ones that were protruding are ground down on the protruding side, often they are below the cylinder on the other side. That does *not* prevent the cylinder from turning. |
You aren't talking about rekeying the locks you are grinding material off of the wafers to make it work which is obviouly different. Grinding off material makes it easier for different keys to work in the lock if a key is close enough.
Not the way that i would rekey any lock. |
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?Waldo?
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| I am not promoting any particular method. I was just attempting to clear up your incorrect and misleading statement in case anyone wanted to make their own educated decision on how to proceed with their own locks. Tumblers below the surface of the cylinder do *not* prevent the cylinder from turning. Only the ones poking up prevent the cylinder from turning. |
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r39o
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| Andrew A. Libby wrote: |
| I am not promoting any particular method. I was just attempting to clear up your incorrect and misleading statement in case anyone wanted to make their own educated decision on how to proceed with their own locks. Tumblers below the surface of the cylinder do *not* prevent the cylinder from turning. Only the ones poking up prevent the cylinder from turning. |
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syncrodoka
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| Andrew A. Libby wrote: |
| I was just attempting to clear up your incorrect and misleading statement in case anyone wanted to make their own educated decision on how to proceed with their own locks. Tumblers below the surface of the cylinder do *not* prevent the cylinder from turning. Only the ones poking up prevent the cylinder from turning. |
What i posted is neither incorrect nor misleading. The tumbler is the assembly you are talking about the wafers and they do prevent it from turning as there is a slot on either side that the wafer will get caught in and prevent it from turning.
I can post pix for you later if you would since you cannot understand what i am attempting to explain but the above picture should help. |
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randywebb
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I'm pretty certain that more keys will fit and turn the cylinder if the tabs are filed down.
Whether that makes a practical difference when a rock can be used to smash a window is another question...
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