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tfelzq Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2017 Posts: 26 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:01 am Post subject: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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I recently had my engine rebuilt. When connecting the engine to the transmission, I was unable to put a nut on one of the engine mount bolts. When I took it off, I realized that the mount bolts were different sizes. Let me explain with pictures.
Here are the two bolts of different lengths.
The one on the right is noticeably shorter by almost a half an inch:
(left one)
(right one)
With the transmission flush to the engine, the nut would not go on bc there were only 2 threads for it:
I'm wondering if it's possible that the bolts were accidentally switched when they were rebuilding the engine?
Notice the different thread counts on each one of these:
the longer one has more threads exposed near the engine and is all the way sunk in:
The shorter one is all the way in, but barely has any threads exposed:
Do you think these are backwards?
If not, what do you think is the solution?
Any recommendations will help! |
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Bman Samba Member

Joined: April 28, 2005 Posts: 895 Location: South Coast, Oregon
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MarkWard Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 18741 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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Same part number for both studs. Looking at the parts description they should be 97 mm overall length. You could remove the short one and try reversing it and see if that helps. You could also remove both studs and compare them to each other. Last you could contact the rebuilder and ask for your studs back. You can double nut them to remove them from the case. Good luck.
OE part number is N 014 675 2 |
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atomatom Samba Member

Joined: May 15, 2012 Posts: 1911 Location: in an 84 Westy or Bowen Island, BC
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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it looks like the studs (both) may be too short. you could back out the one that is not long enough (double nut it to do this).
i would measure the nut you are putting on, then back out the stud that far. it looks like you need 5-10mm _________________ 84 Vanagon Westy, 1.9L, California raised but defected to Canada. |
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davideric9 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2009 Posts: 1014 Location: Oakland CA
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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I think two size studs were used, long ones for Manual Transmission, short ones for Automatic Transmission. Looks like the shop grabbed the wrong stud. Get the correct ones and move on. _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia, stock (bought 1994)
1986 Syncro Westfalia SVX, 3 knob (bought 2008)
1987 Westfalia (bought 2010)
1988 Wolfsburg GL (bought 2012) |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member

Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12167 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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It appears that the first two or three threads on that shorter stud are stripped, which is probably exacerbating the problem. Get a new longer stud _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
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MarkWard Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 18741 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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I would look a little closer at the corner of the case I can see in the picture. Is that a repair to the corner? |
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the joker Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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may we ask who was the rebuilder  |
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tfelzq Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2017 Posts: 26 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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Alright team - the double nut technique was new to me, but it worked. Pictured here are the two double threaded mounting bolts:
Both of these have a few threads missing. The part with the missing threads actually came from within the engine block - not from the nut.
I'm thinking they both need to be replaced, no? |
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Bman Samba Member

Joined: April 28, 2005 Posts: 895 Location: South Coast, Oregon
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davideric9 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2009 Posts: 1014 Location: Oakland CA
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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Van-Cafe lists these for $3.95 each and says manual transmission only
http://www.van-cafe.com/page_2177_257/stud-engine-to-transmission _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia, stock (bought 1994)
1986 Syncro Westfalia SVX, 3 knob (bought 2008)
1987 Westfalia (bought 2010)
1988 Wolfsburg GL (bought 2012) |
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SlalomVan Samba Member

Joined: March 28, 2006 Posts: 131 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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Can someone list the size and thread pitch of the nuts that go on theses studs? I searched! Even the Bentley doesnโt show the size. _________________ 1989 Vanagon GL - 2.1 (White - "Northlake" Totaled/Gone)
1988 Vanagon GL Wolfsburg (Orly Blue - "Poulsbo" - Sold)
1989 Vanagon G - 2.1 (White - "Kingston") - Full rebuild underway - Last on the road in 1997 |
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dabaron Samba Member

Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2716 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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SlalomVan wrote: |
Can someone list the size and thread pitch of the nuts that go on theses studs? I searched! Even the Bentley doesnโt show the size. |
M10 1.5 (coarse threads). get grade 8. _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL Camper
i had no idea i wanted to be a mechanic |
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DanHoug Samba Member

Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 5693 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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picture of the two types of studs _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
Past projects can be found at--
www.thefixitworkshop.com |
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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tfelzq wrote: |
Alright team - the double nut technique was new to me, but it worked. Pictured here are the two double threaded mounting bolts:
Both of these have a few threads missing. The part with the missing threads actually came from within the engine block - not from the nut.
I'm thinking they both need to be replaced, no? |
Those studs don't look to be factory pieces but ones threaded by using a lathe. The threads on the factory studs were rolled and not cut. |
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Abscate  Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 23850 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:20 am Post subject: Re: Engine to Transmission Connection - HELP! - 1 nut won't go on |
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Yeah but they were only $2.95.
I saved money and got some Cr from China,too!
Using vice grips to put studs in......ugh. _________________ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐บ๐ธ ๐ ๐ ๐ |
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