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Franklinstower
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 Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:38 pm Post subject: YAECO (yet another engine conversion option) |
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How about this for your next engine:
http://flat6news.com/blog/porsche-turbocharged-flat-4-engine/
I can't think of anything much more perfect than that!
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insyncro
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Love it 
How many years until they show up at the wreckers you think? |
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r39o
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Like that thing will be even remotely affordable in the next ten years.....
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Syncrozilla
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Even if it was affordable all the new stuff is canbus anyway. Pretty tall order to get the engine to run properly in another car. Not impossible but very challenging.
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Vango Conversions
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We need to find an engine/transmission combo that'll easily and relatively economically fit into our vans.
Yeah, waterboxers suck, but once you upgrade the engine it's the transmission that really holds you back. The strength and ratios leave much to be desired, they're just too expensive to upgrade.
The post of the crysler engine trans into the vanagon was cool but that was a lot of work.
The reversed Subaru transmissions are the closest right now, and now that there are adapters available to fit non subaru engines, it opens things up quite a bit. Even though I'm a manual transmission kind of guy, a good automatic would be pretty sweet for these vans, they are vans after all, I want to drink my coffee while it shifts itself damnit!
As far as the Porsche engine, it's cool, but i have a hard time believing that it'll come anywhere close to the price of a WRX engine. |
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Franklinstower
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I like the fact the Porsche is going to produce another Flat 4. Its been a long time......But yeah, I won't be touching that engine! Give it a few years and someone will tackle it....Just like the EE20 TDI!
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r39o
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It is a Porsche. Read that as race.
Bet they will have a kit.....
You know: bodies in white and a kit to make that engine go in any application.
It will just cost money at that point.
LOTS of money!
Who knows they my make a racing class around that engine.
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We need to find an engine/transmission combo that'll easily and relatively economically fit into our vans.
Yeah, waterboxers suck, but once you upgrade the engine it's the transmission that really holds you back. The strength and ratios leave much to be desired, they're just too expensive to upgrade.
The post of the crysler engine trans into the vanagon was cool but that was a lot of work.
The reversed Subaru transmissions are the closest right now, and now that there are adapters available to fit non subaru engines, it opens things up quite a bit. Even though I'm a manual transmission kind of guy, a good automatic would be pretty sweet for these vans, they are vans after all, I want to drink my coffee while it shifts itself damnit!
As far as the Porsche engine, it's cool, but i have a hard time believing that it'll come anywhere close to the price of a WRX engine. |
that about sums it up for me.
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insyncro
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| It is a Porsche. Read that as race. |
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| a new turbocharged flat-four engine to serve as the brand’s entry-level sports car powerplant |
This will NOT be on par with any RACE engine Porsche has produced.
The vehicles it is available in is proof of that.
The CAN management can be tossed and aftermarket management used in its place.
I have seen GT3Rs run off various aftermarket management systems and at times, without many of the sensors.
Again, this is known and documented on the internet, but seems to scare so many people away and is limiting the advancements.
I remember the days when hacking apart an OBDI Subaru harness was considered to be crazy 
If this new engine will fit under the deck lid of a Vanagon and not impeed ground clearance....someone will convert to it...when is the only question I have. |
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Christopher Schimke
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Maybe I'm crazy, but I would like to see Porsche use this engine of completely stripped down, light weight modern day version of a 912. Give me crank windows, no A/C, minimal creature comforts and a hot flat four and I would be really happy.
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| Maybe I'm crazy, but I would like to see Porsche use this engine of completely stripped down, light weight modern day version of a 912. Give me crank windows, no A/C, minimal creature comforts and a hot flat four and I would be really happy. |
And in a 1200lbs chassis...that sucker would fly |
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| Maybe I'm crazy, but I would like to see Porsche use this engine of completely stripped down, light weight modern day version of a 912. Give me crank windows, no A/C, minimal creature comforts and a hot flat four and I would be really happy. |
That engine in this car
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insyncro
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| Christopher Schimke wrote: |
| Maybe I'm crazy, but I would like to see Porsche use this engine of completely stripped down, light weight modern day version of a 912. Give me crank windows, no A/C, minimal creature comforts and a hot flat four and I would be really happy. |
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Our engines are comprehensively stripped and then meticulously blue printed, balanced and hand built using new or state of the art componentry. There is a choice of two engines, both with specific characters and capacities from 3.6 L to 3.8L .
3.6-liter engine, producing 270 hp
The 270BHP 3.6L engine is comprehensively rebuilt and blueprinted for maximum efficiency and retains the standard engine management system, exhaust and ancillaries maintaining the engines regular emission calibration.
3.8-liter engine, producing 360 hp [* intended for off-road use only in certain territories]
We are proud to be affiliated with Cosworth as the exclusive developer of our 3.8L normally aspirated Porsche flat six engines. Our engines are hand-built in California to motorsport tolerances and benefit from state-of-the-art breakthroughs in intake design, fuel injection, cylinder head design, piston, cylinder and rod design, overall construction and engine management. We feel it is the ultimate compromise between a high revving , high horse-power Porsche racing engine and a torque rich, tractable and durable engine for the road.
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Where does it list the 4 banger? |
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Christopher Schimke
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| Christopher Schimke wrote: |
| Maybe I'm crazy, but I would like to see Porsche use this engine of completely stripped down, light weight modern day version of a 912. Give me crank windows, no A/C, minimal creature comforts and a hot flat four and I would be really happy. |
That engine in this car |
EXACTLY!!! The Singers are absolutely insane cars anyway. The amount of work and attention to detail that those cars get is incredible. Honestly, if you can afford one in the first place, I'm sure they would make one for you with four instead of the six.
Then again, for the cost of a Singer, I could have a prime example of every T3 model ever produced and then some. Hmmm, now that would be a tough choice.
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| Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
| Christopher Schimke wrote: |
| Maybe I'm crazy, but I would like to see Porsche use this engine of completely stripped down, light weight modern day version of a 912. Give me crank windows, no A/C, minimal creature comforts and a hot flat four and I would be really happy. |
That engine in this car |
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Our engines are comprehensively stripped and then meticulously blue printed, balanced and hand built using new or state of the art componentry. There is a choice of two engines, both with specific characters and capacities from 3.6 L to 3.8L .
3.6-liter engine, producing 270 hp
The 270BHP 3.6L engine is comprehensively rebuilt and blueprinted for maximum efficiency and retains the standard engine management system, exhaust and ancillaries maintaining the engines regular emission calibration.
3.8-liter engine, producing 360 hp [* intended for off-road use only in certain territories]
We are proud to be affiliated with Cosworth as the exclusive developer of our 3.8L normally aspirated Porsche flat six engines. Our engines are hand-built in California to motorsport tolerances and benefit from state-of-the-art breakthroughs in intake design, fuel injection, cylinder head design, piston, cylinder and rod design, overall construction and engine management. We feel it is the ultimate compromise between a high revving , high horse-power Porsche racing engine and a torque rich, tractable and durable engine for the road.
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Where does it list the 4 banger? |
In my head
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insyncro
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Gotcha
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rubbachicken
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it'll be a lot more than 10 years, the boxter has been around for how long now ??
an 11 year old boxter engine is what $4500, still a good chunk of change, compare that to an H6
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| Nothing beats the sound of a Porsche |
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