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easy e
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 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:22 am Post subject: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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Have any of you successfully disassembled/re-assembled one of these jacks?
Tips... tricks... methods?
It seems the roll pin can come out of "the nut"... but not sure if there's much that can be done past that point. I'd like to fully disassemble.
I have a jack with a cracked head... nice everything else.
Then, I have another jack with a nice aluminum part... and everything else is not so good. Would like to make one nice one out of the two.
Thanks,
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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| There's a guy that sells them redone on the classifieds if you don't get anything here. I would also be interested in what it takes to get one appart |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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hey Eric, his name is Al, albertmirror on TheSamba. Years ago he cleaned me out of all my jacks. Tell him Tim up in Running Springs, sent you his way and he will likely give you the skinny, real dope . 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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Thanks Tim. I just spoke with Al & he's never tried to take one of these crank style jacks apart. He's familiar with the pump style.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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I have never taken one apart but I do or did have one with a broken head that was wired back on.
So the head is loose.
If you think it would help to see photos of that I will see if I still have it in my garage.
It is not a VIGOT but I believe the Bilstein logo'd ones are the same design.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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Yes, thank you Everett! I would love to see any of the insides before potentially taking my cracked jack from ornamental... to junk status.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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Sorry, I checked my pile and I must have sold it at a swap a while back.
I know I took it out a few times but didn't think anyone bought it since it was a POS.
I remember the top "cap" of the head had come off right at the seam so maybe it pops off somehow?
Going from memory on my broken one I thought the "caps" on the ends were holding that top VIGOT lid on so maybe removing the roll pin will take it apart?
Proof of pile! #hoarderproblems
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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Bilstien Jack head.
Ive rebuilt a couple later doghouse head style before. the roll pin comes out and hold together the assembly. I do not know how the cast head is fastened together, but I bet the collar is hiding whatever it is. Be warned that the little bevel gear has 2 notches on theone side which coincide with 2 little ear tabs that are on the shaft. you cannot see them well or at all. and getting the bevel gear loose without destroying the head may prove difficult. as the shaft can only be removed one side or the other due to the ear tabs.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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Great pics!
With the top off...
Do you know if the lower half-gear + attached threaded shaft can be screwed out of the outer pipe/base/lifting leg?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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yes, you can remove the threaded rod and bevel gear out of the cylinder by just unthreading it from the lift arm completely.
there are 2 tabs peened over to hold on the bottom foot you pictured, that you can grind off to remove it and then the lift arm out of the bottom
tack weld it back together for reassembly.
the lifting arm will unthread right off the bottom of the threaded rod. there was no stop
note that i have found there were 2 different threaded rof thread pitches (a wide and a narrow groove) from the 4 or 5 doghouse jacks I took apart and that the lift arm that goes up and down it had to match the threads. weird but true.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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can you take the bases off of both jacks, swap the arms out from the bottom and put the bases back on? that way you don't have to mess with the heads at all.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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^^.... sounds like it should work (nice job). Thx Ev, volksheime & Lind.
Just realized... I need to try to fix part of the top.
I'm wanting to fix/replace a broken lower aluminum half on a ~'54-'55 356 jack... and wanted to use another jack for parts. Doing the "Lind Swap" would leave me with the wrong body bumper.
The 356 jack does not have the rubber bumper opposite the turning nut... it's just a flat metal disc. So, I'll be looking into taking apart the top.
http://www.356tools.com/Jack.htm
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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I got the roll pin out of the turning nut, but my progress stopped there.
I think the collar under the turning nut & collar on the body bumper part are crimp-fit over a lip on the aluminum. I would need a real sucky jack to thrash on to find out for sure.
I think the one I want to save can be cleaned up with some light blasting or aluminum jelly, welded, carefully filed & then spot polished.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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I went out and looked at mine again. it lookes like the caps are peened a little bit and hold the top and bottom aluminum cap bosses together. the caps are removeable. the shaft will not pull outas there are washers that will prevent it, so the head has to be split open, and the shaft assembly lifted out.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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Cool, thx volksheime. I guess I should forge ahead....
I'll start my prying efforts on the already damaged half of the aluminum on the one jack.... and on the top part of the aluminum on the sacrificial jack.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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I got the roll pin out of the turning nut, but my progress stopped there.
I think the collar under the turning nut & collar on the body bumper part are crimp-fit over a lip on the aluminum. I would need a real sucky jack to thrash on to find out for sure.
I think the one I want to save can be cleaned up with some light blasting or aluminum jelly, welded, carefully filed & then spot polished.
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Driving out the roll pin is the first step in taking apart the head. The hexagon piece can then be pried off with a screwdriver - usually. I've only had to heat a few of them to get them to come off. After that, get two broad flat head screwdrivers to pry off the end caps. Pry one side and then the other of the same end cap. Don't stab yourself when the screwdriver slips off! They will pop off. They are only pressed on. Take note of the washer inside. Once the two end caps are removed the inner rod will spin right out. Careful with the bearings and races!
I would be careful using ANY of the old screw jacks. I have seen a number of them where the internal gear is striped or cracked!
After cleaning, grease and place the two halves together. Then use a socket to drive on the end caps. I usually start with the drive end cap, as the socket is reversed so that the drive side slides over the end where the hexagon drive goes on. Then the other side will go on easily. The rubber push-in bumper that is usually missing can be found at McMaster.com.
I hope this helps. Please let me know if there are any questions.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Bilstein Vigot Jack Disassembly Restoration |
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That's great info!... thank you.
I just called the welder that was going to try to weld it up... he said they had looked at it for a while & didn't want to weld. They thought it would just fall apart, due to the way the casting looked. I love it when a trade professional gives you their honest opinion... instead of just letting the effort fail & collect your money.
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