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newfisher
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 Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:08 pm Post subject: Anyone recommend a Subaru 2.2 rebuilder in the Eug/PDX area? |
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Looking for a recommended 2.2 Suby supplier in the NW.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=614628
Well, our 2500 mile trip to get or van with it's NEW engine with 20,000 miles has turned out to not be a NEW engine, but a used with a new tbelt , oil and water pump and maybe some head / gaskets. Never fly in late, on a time schedule and opt not to meet the owner at a local shop to inspect your purchase!
#1 plug blew out of the hole the night we made it home. Threads stripped and I just didn't feel like laying in the cold driveway to fix it, so I had it towed to a local shop to " put a professional eye" on the rest of the van and fix the plug hole. They called back and said that was the least of my issues. 40 lbs on #3 #4 and I had them do a leak down on it to confirm air hissing into the case at a rapid rate heard through the oil fill.
My new vanagon experience is quickly turning into my former type1 experience 25 years ago  |
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syncrodoka
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There is a guy named Ken Welter that lists motor rebuilding in Camas on craigslist- http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/pts/4821177876.html
There are positive comments about his work online if you google him as he builds them for aircraft use also.
I know a syncro guy down here that loves the motor that ken built for him.
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ftp2leta
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dobryan 
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joseph928
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:30 pm Post subject: fYI |
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FYI a 2.2 will last a lot longer if you don't go 80 MPH on the hwy all day! This might have something to do with your problems. 
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dobryan
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newfisher
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: fYI |
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| joseph928 wrote: |
| FYI a 2.2 will last a lot longer if you don't go 80 MPH on the hwy all day! This might have something to do with your problems. |
Wow. Thanks for the advice! I would never had guessed that at 80 mph running 3700-3800 rpm on a suby engine , as mentioned from those who are experienced with them, likes upper rpm would fail during 30 mile stints at a time. I guess the used and truely unknown milage issue wasnt the culprit after all. You must have gathered this knowlege from your Toyota days over on pirate 4x?
For those of uou suggesting the 2.5 I appreciate the knowledge but the conversion and added harness expense are not in my wheelhouse right now with other hobbies eating at my wallet. I ordered a reman from Kenny. Knows his stuff, nice guy but backed up for two weeks! Arrrgh |
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WestyBob
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: fYI |
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There's also Tom Lengyel in Aurora just south of Portland off I-5.
He does subie conversions but may be able to help with your 2.2L unless you plan to stick with Kenny (who's also good).
Tom is at 503-678-5648
Then there's a Vw shop on the inner east side of Pdx called Precision Motor Cars (Daryl) that does subie convers and maybe rebuilds (503) 232-7669. I know Daryl and they have a good rep.
There are more but that should be enough to chew on along with Kenny. |
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whynotvw
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I was in the same situation, I went with 2.5 with 2.2 heads, franken motor rebuild. This way I kept my old harness. I had three choices
1. rebuild the 2.2
2. change and 2.5 rebuild with new harness extra $700
3. franken motor 2.5 with 2.2 heads. keep the old harness.
I went with choice three and had it completely rebuilt for $2950 and I couldn't be happier. so much more torque and didn't have to mess with the harness.
I had it done by
S&S Performance in Alpine ca. He builds for many shops and also for subaru dealers. He answered many questions on pro's and cons of each build and he has done many Frankenmotors. 1-619-445-5232 http://www.subaruperformanceengines.com/
He had the most reasonable prices and I called many of the shops he supplied the engines to before I made the decision to go with him.
I couldn't be happier with the engine build so far. When I went to his shop I was impressed with all the high end subaru engines in some of the buggies.
Even if you don't go with him Steve the owner is really cool and can answer a lot of your questions |
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newfisher
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| Franken motor , more torque with same harness sounds like the best of both worlds. Any other mods or changes need to be made, clutch etc.? |
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syncrodoka
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Ken mentions building 2.5/2.2 motors in his ad. There are no external mods that need to be made, there are a few threads about them here.
I would look into WestyBob's recommendations as well, I am not in the PDX area and a local recommendations are usually solid. |
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WestyBob
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: fYI |
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| newfisher wrote: |
| I guess the used and truely unknown milage issue wasnt the culprit after all. |
Ah-h-h ... if you're serious here, this (the above) is your problem. Driving at sustained 80 mph speeds with a **healthy** subie 2.2L isn't going to cause any short-term problems although it's not always ideal for some four-cylinder engines.
Maybe what Joseph meant here is traveling that speed with that lame engine you have in there and apparently got burned on. |
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kalispell365
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:48 am Post subject: Re: fYI |
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| joseph928 wrote: |
| FYI a 2.2 will last a lot longer if you don't go 80 MPH on the hwy all day! This might have something to do with your problems. |
This is incorrect , these motors will cruise at this RPM, zero problem. If you look at the design, they are made to rev. Why not find a low mile tested motor at a PNW junk yard and have someone install your own already new components from your current engine?
Installing piston rings and head gaskets would produce a super dependable engine and are simple repairs on a stand.
These engines are SO easy and contrary to all the misinformation on the Samba, are VERY dependable with a little bit of knowledge.
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newfisher
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Thanks Kallispel,
For a few hundred more I can get into a rebuilt 2.2 or a few hundred more a 2.5 Frankenmotor and know what I have vs. what I currently have ....a used motor. I will most likely R/R it myself and have it back on the road shortly, waiting for Kenny to get me some numbers including the 11mm pump. |
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tschroeder0
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| urghhh, man I am so bummed to read this. Well, the van overall looked like it was solid, so this is just a blip on the road to fun journeys! |
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atomatom
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what about the power required to push an aerodynamic brick at 80mph? first engine, next up, transmission. the off-road tires can't be easy on things either. if not already, you probably want to put the heavy duty swepco in the trans.
does anyone here actually drive 80 mph for extended periods? i'm genuinely curious. i'm happy if i can go 60, but i'm still in wbx land.
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DLJ
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:06 pm Post subject: suby engine |
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| X 2 on Ken Welter and Tom Lengel. I had Ken rebuild my suby and I think he is totally upstanding guy. |
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ftp2leta
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0cean
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| whynotvw wrote: |
I was in the same situation, I went with 2.5 with 2.2 heads, franken motor rebuild. This way I kept my old harness. I had three choices
1. rebuild the 2.2
2. change and 2.5 rebuild with new harness extra $700
3. franken motor 2.5 with 2.2 heads. keep the old harness.
I went with choice three and had it completely rebuilt for $2950 and I couldn't be happier. so much more torque and didn't have to mess with the harness.
I had it done by
S&S Performance in Alpine ca. He builds for many shops and also for subaru dealers. He answered many questions on pro's and cons of each build and he has done many Frankenmotors. 1-619-445-5232 http://www.subaruperformanceengines.com/
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Was the MPG effected by the conversion? +or-
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Jake de Villiers
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| Does anyone here actually drive 80 mph for extended periods? i'm genuinely curious. i'm happy if i can go 60, but i'm still in wbx land. |
I used to do 70-75mph on a 200-300 mile trip but the gas mileage is much better at 65mph so...
Down to Grass Valley in June I did 65-68 all day long. Cruise control would have been great!
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