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11BC2
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 Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:56 pm Post subject: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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In the process of building up a JX 1.6TD engine for my recently acquired Bundeswehr Doka; the current 1.7D is...well..anemic at best.
Going through my boxes and shelves of spares, I have a new oil pan gasket/windage tray part for use in the water cooled VW cars; Rabbits, Jettas, Caddy's, etc.
I'm looking for opinions on using it in a Doka/Vanagon engine.
PRO
1. Keeps oil in the pan, away from the crankshaft.
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1. Might prevent oil making it back to the pan.
Pictures for reference.
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?Waldo?
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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I think they are good. I fit one to each engine I install. No problem with oil getting back to the pan.
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?Waldo?
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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Does the 1.7 have the piston cooling oil jets? If so, unless there are other mechanical issues, then installing the JX turbo, manifolds, pump, etc... would give better overall power/torque than the 1.6TD.
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11BC2
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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| ?Waldo? wrote: |
| Does the 1.7 have the piston cooling oil jets? . |
As of right now, I have no idea, as the engine is still installed and running...very...slowly...
It only has 97K KMs on it, but the German Military mechanics seldom, if ever, replaced the fuel filter, damaging the injector pump and/or injectors. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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Yes- agree with Waldo that the windage tray pan gaskets are a good idea. I've installed a few on TDIs in cars where the engine sits level. This style may be even more benficial in Vanagon mounted VW diesel (tilted over rght?)
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?Waldo?
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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| ?Waldo? wrote: |
| Does the 1.7 have the piston cooling oil jets? . |
As of right now, I have no idea, as the engine is still installed and running...very...slowly...
It only has 97K KMs on it, but the German Military mechanics seldom, if ever, replaced the fuel filter, damaging the injector pump and/or injectors. |
That's only 60,000 miles. It's not like fuel filters typically allow particulate to pass when they get old. The typical failure mode is for them to clog and cause fuel starvation which doesn't cause any damage to pump or injectors. Regardless, the pump and injectors would come from the JX in order to have the 155 bar TD injectors and the boost fuel enrichment.
In doing a little looking, it appears that the KY has the piston cooling oil jets.
Without some issue like low oil pressure, the KY long block with 60,000 miles on it is a great choice and definitely what I would choose over rebuilding a 1.6TD.
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11BC2
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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| ?Waldo? wrote: |
| That's only 60,000 miles. It's not like fuel filters typically allow particulate to pass when they get old. The typical failure mode is for them to clog and cause fuel starvation which doesn't cause any damage to pump or injectors. Regardless, the pump and injectors would come from the JX in order to have the 155 bar TD injectors and the boost fuel enrichment. |
What I failed to mention is that the original fuel tank was full of rust/dirt, and the filter...well, I've never seen a filter as clogged as this filter was clogged.
Like, full of reddish anti seize material.
I made the mistake of running the tank almost empty, and that's when it all failed.
I changed out the tank and filter, but it is still noticeably slower than when I first got it.
Haven't tested/cleaned the pump or injectors; I'll try that first.
The JX rebuild is a combination of the MY(?) 1.6TD that is from my 84 Jetta TD and from a complete JX engine I got from Quality German.
New pistons, punched out that block, ACL Racing bearings, ARP head & main studs, etc. Also, I have the correct injectors...originals and new/rebuilt...and the correct turbo injector pump.
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| Without some issue like low oil pressure, the KY long block with 60,000 miles on it is a great choice and definitely what I would choose over rebuilding a 1.6TD. |
But...I NEED a turbocharger... The 1.7 will be used in another project, either a vehicle or as a stand alone genset; I do live in People's Republic of Kalifornia with rolling black outs. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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I think you are misunderstanding me. Long block does not include all of the ancillaries. Indeed use the turbo with all the other bolt-on components. Just use them on the 1.7 block/head rather than on the 1.6 block/head. The turbo, manifolds, intake, exhaust, pump and injectors would all bolt right up to the 1.7 making it a 1.7TD instead of a 1.6TD for a nice upgrade in low-end torque.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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| ?Waldo? wrote: |
| I think you are misunderstanding me. Long block does not include all of the ancillaries. Indeed use the turbo with all the other bolt-on components. Just use them on the 1.7 block/head rather than on the 1.6 block/head. The turbo, manifolds, intake, exhaust, pump and injectors would all bolt right up to the 1.7 making it a 1.7TD instead of a 1.6TD for a nice upgrade in low-end torque. |
Ahhhhh... I'm fully tracking now. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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I’ve been running the windage tray on the 1.9TD for 3 years and no complaint. I believe it helps to prevent aeration of the oil in case of overfilling, and subsequent loss of pressure. I would also say the the windage tray has a bonded gasket on both sides and so it does a lot better job of sealing. Recommended for that feature alone.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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The KY is the same stroke as the JX, but drilled to the max.
I never had one, but KYturbo is common in the heimat, notorious for great power and blowing head gaskets.  |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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| Used the windage tray in my AHU swap. I did have to trim it in a couple of places. I think around the oil pump. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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I have fit several of the windage trays to TD or TDI Vanagons and have never needed to modify them. It is possible to fit the tray on over the diesel vanagon oil pump even after it is installed, without any modification, but it is easier to put the windage tray onto the block first and then put the pump on afterward. There's no interference with any of the diesel vanagon components.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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| yeah, I installed it after the oil pump was already installed, kind of an afterthought. I didn't have to trim much, just a bit around the pump itself. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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I happened to have an AHU TDI on the stand and decided to make a little video of how to install the windage tray when the oil pump is already installed. The tray and oil pump are not modified in any way. It seems simple when watching but is not intuitive when doing it. The hole in the tray needs to be rotated a little extra in order to clear the pressure control valve of the oil pickup tube. Once clear of the valve, it is rotated back to the correct position.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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| Great video! |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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Part # 037115220B.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:10 am Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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| Phishman068 wrote: |
| I’m about to replace the oil pan gasket on my JX 1.6th engine- what engine/vehicle should I spec to find this fancy oil pan gasket/windage tray? |
Transverse 1.9 TD and TDI
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:35 am Post subject: Re: 1.6TD Oil pan gasket w/baffle. Good/Bad idea? |
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| ?Waldo? wrote: |
| I have fit several of the windage trays to TD or TDI Vanagons and have never needed to modify them. It is possible to fit the tray on over the diesel vanagon oil pump even after it is installed, without any modification, but it is easier to put the windage tray onto the block first and then put the pump on afterward. There's no interference with any of the diesel vanagon components. |
What about the dip stick?? |
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