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Hacksaw-BoB Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:42 pm Post subject: HEBMÜLLER VW TYPE 14A Photos-Information-Personal Archives |
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ghiafreek Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2002 Posts: 946 Location: San Antonio, Tx
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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! Lots of great pics and information. Thank you.
Really enjoying the reading. |
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usariemen Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you VERY MUCH.
For your work and some unknown pics.
Inetersting to study. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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RichOakley Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2004 Posts: 1113 Location: Midlands, UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Thank you Bob. Some amazing new stuff in there. _________________ 1947 Beetle
1956 RHD Karmann Cabrio
1956 RHD Beetle
1957 RHD Pitt-Moto Type 2 Camper
1959 RHD Beetle
1966 RHD Type 3 Fastback
1976 RHD Sun Beetle |
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passoa55 Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 572 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:50 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for sharing! _________________ 1950 Hebmuller #458
1955 lowlight lizard green
1955 original paint oval
1956 1600 super V-sunroof Porsche
1958 lowlight ghia black
1963 firetruckred 23 window
1967 SO42 westy
1969 original paint Westy
1970 one owner 1300L bug |
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Hebster52 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2003 Posts: 1821 Location: Finland, Jakobstad
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peter schepens Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2003 Posts: 1016 Location: belgium Caesars camp
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Great post Bob, You are my hero.
I am dealing with this issue a long time: The proto type with the licenceplate from North Wurtemberg...
The Hebmuller factory was in an other area... Volkwagen was also in another region and both not in that North Wurtemberger area...
How does it fit the frame? A prototype that is registred in another region does not make sense to me. I think we need to find out if that car is indeed a Hebmuller proto type. Remember the Radclyffe roadster... what happend to it, , it is written that it was wrecked... but what happend to the rest of the car?
what if this "proto" is not a Hebmuller? The first body's from vw to be reshaped in a convertible are only received early 49.... not 48. The design was indeed from 48 . The Vin nrs are known of the first cars. 1 black car, one red car, later in february a fourth body was ordered to make the geneva autoshow car... The third one was put in the construction room to test fit parts. I hope one day we can find out what happend. But this documentation is priceless... Thanks Bob. _________________ Zelensis, glassfibre body made in Belgium , disigned and built on a VW platform About 25 body's built.
Hebmuller info wanted for http://www.hebmueller-registry.com/home.html |
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:37 am Post subject: |
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I enjoyed reading your post, Bob. Great stuff. _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
Wanted: Art Collins VW (Savannah, Georgia) items - license plate surrounds and other items. Also ivory "AM", "FM" and "SW" buttons for a US Blaupunkt Frankfurt. |
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nr 11 Samba Member
Joined: November 25, 2007 Posts: 134 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Dear mr. Gilmore,
I like it very much that I never made a study about Hemüllers. You already did!
But me and a few friends are very interested in war convertibles and of course the Karmann history.
Do you have any knowledge about these cars?
Thanks a lot if you would share it with us.
stef vermeulen
Belgium _________________ http://mills.skynetblogs.be/ |
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peter schepens Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2003 Posts: 1016 Location: belgium Caesars camp
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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About this pict, I can say it is a non-finished car. The running boards are not on the car. The horns are flush mounted in the fenders. It is the car that is picts in the garden of Gottfried Schultz.
_________________ Zelensis, glassfibre body made in Belgium , disigned and built on a VW platform About 25 body's built.
Hebmuller info wanted for http://www.hebmueller-registry.com/home.html |
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kdf38 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like a round jack support which was changed in 1948 I believe.
Mike |
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Hebster52 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2003 Posts: 1821 Location: Finland, Jakobstad
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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peter schepens wrote: |
About this pict, I can say it is a non-finished car. The running boards are not on the car. The horns are flush mounted in the fenders. It is the car that is picts in the garden of Gottfried Schultz.
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I agree. I got a copy of this photo from Yan in the late 90's - early 2000 with info that it was "the second" proto with five louves per side on the decklid seen in Schultz garden. _________________ ~Kris~
"The Hebster52" my Hebmuller replica build
The 912ST
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Hacksaw-BoB Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2009 Posts: 808 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Many Thanks for all the nice compliments and comments about the HEBMÜLLER VW TYPE 14A Photos-Information-Personal Archives.
Thanks Hebster52 for pointing out the air louvers between HEBMÜLLER VW PROTOTYPE 1 (8 louvers) and HEBMÜLLER VW PROTOTYPE 2 (10 louvers) !!
As many times that I looked at those photos . . I did not catch that detail !
Since the majority of these photos were received in 1976 from Paul Hebmüller, I believe that they are all specifically of Hebmüller origin !!
I think that when Hebmüller was tasked by Volkswagenwerks to produce a Cabriolet in 1948, the general lines of the 1946 Radclyffe Roadster
Cabriolet was an influence of the Hebmüller Cabriolet design at that time period so hence the similarity.
Because of this information, I do not think that one of the Hebmüller Prototypes were a salvaged Radclyffe Roadster Cabriolet.
Yes, Peter, after a closer look, I do agree with you that the two guys standing next to the Hebmüller, with the missing running board,
is that of the 1948 HEBMÜLLER VW PROTOTYPE 2 (10 louvers).
Sorry nr 11 . . . my interests were only with the HEBMÜLLER VW Type 14A so I do not collect information on the other Vintage VW Cabriolets.
I have added a couple more photos and updates I found while searching through my archives.
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7062 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:58 am Post subject: Re: HEBMÜLLER VW TYPE 14A Photos-Information-Personal Archiv |
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hardtop coupe, that would be my thing. _________________ regards
Uli
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'53 3-Fold Oval, L35 Metallic Blue, looking for a narrow hatch panel |
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nr 11 Samba Member
Joined: November 25, 2007 Posts: 134 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry nr 11 . . . my interests were only with the HEBMÜLLER VW Type 14A so I do not collect information on the other Vintage VW Cabriolets. |
Thanks anyway. So I can keep searching in that fantastic history of our beloved Volkswagens.
I know that somewhere out there, there must be the knowledge.
stef vermeulen _________________ http://mills.skynetblogs.be/ |
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Hacksaw-BoB Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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OK nr 11,
I did find this 1948 Karmann Cabriolet Prototype photo in my archives . . .
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nr 11 Samba Member
Joined: November 25, 2007 Posts: 134 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Bob. This is the one, we call number 2.
The first was the model with the hood like a Landaulet type.
This is a picture of the car.
And then we had number 3. The 2 tone brown, nearly the definitive version. _________________ http://mills.skynetblogs.be/ |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 25765 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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nr 11 wrote: |
Dear mr. Gilmore,
I like it very much that I never made a study about Hemüllers. You already did!
But me and a few friends are very interested in war convertibles and of course the Karmann history.
Do you have any knowledge about these cars?
Thanks a lot if you would share it with us.
stef vermeulen
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Here is the working thread on pre- and post-war convertibles, Stef.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=297216&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Edit: I see you've posted in that thread. _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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nr 11 Samba Member
Joined: November 25, 2007 Posts: 134 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Yes I know Blue Baron, but Bob never spoke with us.
And maybe he could shine some light on the subject.
We came a bit on the end of the line in that topic.
You know this history of convertibles is so fascinating, that I ask everybody who could give us more information.
Not giving up, always searching. _________________ http://mills.skynetblogs.be/ |
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Hacksaw-BoB Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Hi mandraks . . . .
So Hebmüller actually did produce the Hard Top VW Coupe
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