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sb001
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 Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:08 pm Post subject: Why can't any manufacturer make anything even close... |
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to the original VW engine bay tarboard anymore??
I ordered a replacement set of firewall tarboard for my 69 from a certain vendor-- on their website they claim it was the "closest to OEM they've ever seen." (They also claim to carry WW's engine bay tarboard even though they are not WW. Then they also carry the same 111-898-805HD (Heavy duty, yeah right) CRAP that everyone else sells, this stuff claims to be 5mm thick, it's not, it's junk, and it sucks. So, they have 3 different sets listed on their site.)
I ordered this stuff 2 weeks ago, last week what I got was FLOORBOARD tarboard not the engine bay stuff. No big deal, call them and have a corrected order sent out. Got the replacement stuff in today and it is the "HD" CRAP that is all over the place. I called them and had it out with them on the phone, and they are refunding my money so I can look elsewhere.
Problem is, Why does NOT A SINGLE DAMN MANUFACTURER make something even remotely close to the original OEM tarboard?? Like it would be that damn difficult! They could charge twice what they're charging for this run of the mill horseshit and people would still pay it just to be satisfied (I know I would.)
Original OEM tarboard:
Thickness:
Run of the mill replacement CRAP that EVERYONE seems to carry and not give a shit:
Thickness (5mm my ass):
FUCK YOU chinese shit manufacturers ( and vendors for not caring)  And yeah if I seem a little pissed it's because I could've had my car up and running now if I didn't have to wait for shit like this.
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enjoyther1de
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Just put it in. Who runs tar board any way?
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Cali_Army_Guy
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| It's 1/16th of an inch off. Man you're picky. |
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sb001
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| It's 1/16th of an inch off. Man you're picky. |
It's not even the same material hoss. It's useless for what the tarboard is supposed to do. In which case enjoytheride's post above is valid.
Only way this stuff maybe works is if I somehow glue it to the original tarboard and shove the whole thing in there--which is not really my point.
Oh and by the way, it's this kind of defeatist attitude that has allowed manufacturers (and vendors) to get to the point where they can get away with this kind of crap in the first place.
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1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
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Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor
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60ragtop
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put it under the vendor in the feedback section
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked  |
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sb001
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| put it under the vendor in the feedback section |
I thought of that, but my complaint here is more about the complete suckiness of the tarboard itself, not the vendor--it's the same shit every vendor carries anyway.
I don't have that much of a complaint with the vendor, other than they kind of tried to trick me by sending me this stuff in a WW box-- at leastt hey're refunding my money.
Problem is, where do I look now?
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Dwayne1m
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| I put Peel and Seal behind my new "tarboard". Not sure how much it will help. I don't have the car road ready yet. That thin "tarboard" doesn't look like it will help much. I wonder if spraying that area with a thick undercoating would work just as well. |
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GingaNinja
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I hear ya sb0001. You'd think that making a repo of something that basic would be a cake walk.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. The tar board is there only as a sound insulator isn't it?
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ps2375
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The purpose of tar board is what?
To me it is sound deadening, make your own and be done with it. I made a stainless steel covering for the front bulkhead and re-used the old tar board on the sides. Those maybe going away as I might be installing the carb access ports to aid with carb tuning and spark plug access. And I want to hear my carbs when they are calling out.
Yes, it does suck that the quality of stuff suffers, but other than complaining what else are you going to do. I fab up what I can (not that much truthfully) and deal with the rest. Thankfully my car was put together back before empi and bugpack all went to china for their manufacturing, as the stuff on my car looks way better than the same item looks today. |
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enjoyther1de
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I'm sure the old ones are just soaked with oil after 44 years, the new ones will soak up some oil and you'll gain your 1/16". Just be patient!
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TheStanfordWagen
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Chris and the guys over at Classic VW Bugs sell a tarboard that is excellent, the closest I have seen to OEM tarboard, well made.
Check it out.
http://www.classicvwbugs.com/shop-for-dvds/classic...ar-boards/
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sb, I relate to your frustration. But I just read a similar subject... here it is- http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=634371
Remember that heavy roofing paper is your friend for this application. You can glue a layer of the paper onto your chosen material with spray adhesive, to achieve a smooth near-factory look. I did that on the large firewall insulation on a Ghia about 20 yrs ago. Search around for scraps on a new roofing project in town.
Another friend found that the insulation from the back of a junked refrigerator had similar thickness to the original factory insulation. That might provide you with a good and cheap source (town recycling center, bulk dump, etc)- which if ripped, you can glue back together with your crap thin insulation on the back side, and cover with the roofing paper on the side which needs to be presentable. |
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sb001
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Thanks all-
now that I've settled down, I decided to try gluing the new thin stuff to the old OEM tarboard I already had-- the old tarboard was not going to stay in place by itself, too much wear, but adhering it to the new stuff bonds it all together and now Ive got something extra thick with the original VW tar layer still in place against the firewall- I think this will actually turn out rather decent. (Just cutting all those autostick holes--aaargh!)
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sb001
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I had seen their product too, and love the grid finish on it- it was just a little more than I wanted to pay, and watching their video on installing it it still seemed a little thinner than the OEM stuff which was my main complaint.
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...They could charge twice what they're charging for this run of the mill horseshit and people would still pay it just to be satisfied (I know I would.)
...and love the grid finish on it- it was just a little more than I wanted to pay... |
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How about gluing 2 new sets together? The new one is close to half the thickness of the original.
I'm need to replace mine as well. The one in my car was a replacement we got from a dealer and installed about 20 years ago. It was the same as original back then. I have both the smooth version and a grid version. I prefer the smooth as that was stock on my 71.
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I had seen their product too, and love the grid finish on it- it was just a little more than I wanted to pay, and watching their video on installing it it still seemed a little thinner than the OEM stuff which was my main complaint. |
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...They could charge twice what they're charging for this run of the mill horseshit and people would still pay it just to be satisfied (I know I would.)
...and love the grid finish on it- it was just a little more than I wanted to pay... |
 So you won't really pay for a quality product?????? And you wonder why they make cheap shit? You just proved their point.
Make sure you glue it well. If it comes loose and sucks up against the fan shoud you'll be paying for more than tarboard.
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TheStanfordWagen
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What's $20 dollars more for quality? I bought the crap ones like you did and they became warped and cracked. I could have saved $60 bucks, had I spent the $80 the first time. I am not trying to be critical, I just think that you would be happy if you did buy them.
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...They could charge twice what they're charging for this run of the mill horseshit and people would still pay it just to be satisfied (I know I would.)
...and love the grid finish on it- it was just a little more than I wanted to pay... |
Exactly. Put your money where your mouth is or quit whining.
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sb001
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...They could charge twice what they're charging for this run of the mill horseshit and people would still pay it just to be satisfied (I know I would.)
...and love the grid finish on it- it was just a little more than I wanted to pay... |
Exactly. Put your money where your mouth is or quit whining. |
I guess you all missed the last part of that post where I specifically stated that while I like the finish their board appears to be THINNER THAN OEM as well, watch how the guy installing it is able to flex and bend it almost like a sheet of paper with no trouble at all and it comes right back into shape. That's not what the OEM board would do. If I'm paying double what I paid for this, I want OEM quality. OEM QUALITY. What about that simple phrase is too complicated for you all to comprehend?? You all sure do excel in selective reading disorder.
I've fixed the problem my own way, which doesn't validate what manufacturers are getting away with, but is better than listening to you all whine about my post while offering nothing of any substance.
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